Rewatched Jones vs Calzaghe

Correct. He was shot 4 years ago, he was shot in the Calzaghe fight, he is shot now. End thread.

 

It's pretty hard to 'debate' with someone who is just plain wrong. 'Debate' involves an exhange of viewpoints, but if you (having seen RJJ fight between 1993 and 2003) do not think he was absolutely shot to pieces in the Calzaghe fight (and in every fight since Tarver I) then you are very very wrong. Sorry, but no debate required.

 

I still say he was completely shot. He scored a KD by virtue of a forearm, he managed a few crisp counters early on because Calzaghe does not have a good defence, and thereafter he was utterly dominated and embarrassed. I am a HUGE fan of Roy Jones, but the fight should never have been made because he has been SHOT to **** for years. The fight went exactly as I said it would and as I prayed it wouldn't. One of the most talented fighters in history was humiliated by a guy who couldn't carry his jockstrap when both were prime. Jones scored with a few punches and rallied in a couple of rounds, but the result of this fight was never in any doubt. Roy was shot and he fought like it. IMO.

 

I agree with the OP. Jones showed some flashes of brilliance early on in the fight. Joe just has the ability that once he builds a rhythm, he completely overwhelms his opponents for the rest of the fight. Nobody has truly figured it out yet, even Hopkins. I still think Jones has the ability to be a top 3 LHW.

 

I disagree, but even if you are right, what is your point here? Calzaghe won every minute of every round over the second half of the fight, and the judges' scorecards were very wide in his favour when you consider the 1st round was a 10-8. The fight was a domination. If this fight had happened at any time 1997-2003, it would have been a domination the other way... but it happened when Roy had been shot to pieces for years.

 

Hopkins figured it out perfectly, he simply lacked the stamina/workrate to dominate because he is 43. Joe has "the ability" to completely overwhelm a shot Roy Jones (while not even dropping him once on the way to a points win), the same Jones that Tarver and Johnson sparked out years ago (or arguably a more shot version as he is older now). Wow, some ability.

 

You're living in dreamworld mate. If the cut hadn't happened, Calzaghe would still have strolled to a wide UD. Jones didn't have the snap in his punches to keep Calzaghe off, this was in evidence in the first half of the fight before the cut (Calzaghe leaning in with no guard laughing), and he certainly did not have the stamina/workrate to match Calzaghe.

The only round Jones has looked like Jones in since the Ruiz fight in '03 was round 5 of the third Tarver fight - watch it on dvd now and look how exhausted Jones is at the end of it. To beat Calzaghe he would have needed to fight like that in every round. Sorry, but there is just no way that the current Roy Jones is capable of that - hence all the lying on the ropes.

Jones would not beat any top 10 lhw right now (Jones was taken to points by Hanshaw, who Dirrell KO'd in 5 in Hanshaw's next fight. Jones couldn't stop Tito at 170lbs for Christ sake!!!!)

 

Maybe the first six rounds were close. After all with the knockdown, its a 10-8 round. All what Roy needed is one more round to make it close.
The cut affected Roy, there is no doubt about it, but I have to say that Calazaghe always starts slow ( at least in his last five fights which I have seen). I think Calazaghe would have won a very easy UD even if Jones wasn't cut.

 

Calzaghe's slow starts are only half the story though, the other half is the fact that Roy has no stamina now and would have gassed and lay on the ropes and lost anyway whether was cut or not - because he is shot to **** and has been for years. Anyone who has watched and re-watched his post-Ruiz fights knew this would be the case.