Rewatched Jones vs Calzaghe

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Fab2333, Dec 23, 2008.


  1. Fab2333

    Fab2333 Needs to Get It 2Gether Full Member

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    see u dont know that. He was holdin up very well.
    Every1 though Hopkins would lose to Pavlik, ( xcept for me) he didnt. all im saying is that, seeing how close that fight was through the 1st 6th, n e thing couldve happened. You or I dont kno. But i personally think RJ wouldve edged it out. After the cut, the whole momentum of the fight changed. Rj was starting to close the distance. When the cut happened the complexity of the fight changed
     
  2. DINAMITA

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    Harold Lederman?!!?! :lol: Please. I wouldn't let him score a dog show. Jones got a 10-8 in the 1st, so for Calzaghe to be up by round 6 means he had taken control.

    Jones may have in touch numerically, but that only tells half the story. Calzaghe was leaning his head into Jones smiling with no guard, showing utter disdain and disrespect for his power. Calzaghe was well in control at all times from round two onward. He and most other knowledgable boxing viewers knew Jones would gas, knew Calzaghe had a few gears to kick it up if need be, knew that the result was never in any doubt.
     
  3. USboxer1981

    USboxer1981 The Real Def. MVP Full Member

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    I guess this is a sad attempt to justify and enhance Calzaghe's victory over Jones?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWDtzdAYTOA

    Go to 6:40 , a see what your guys lover boy says about Roy Jones before the fight was signed
     
  4. treva1977

    treva1977 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    another dumb american who only sees jones` shots,i bet you are one of the people who think hopkins beat him too .
    calzaghe beat hopkins and calzaghe beat jones fair and square end of ,so get over it.
     
  5. daredevil1989

    daredevil1989 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    ok i just watched the fight again and though i agree numerically he was in the fight joe had already taken control and started to force a tempo only he was comfortable with. Jones just couldnt get off or pull the trigger like he could in his prime and though, as i expected there would be, there were the odd flashes of brilliance (beautiful uppercut in round 6) calzaghe was well in control and was controlling the ring.
    I noticed that jones was having the odd success inside with short hooks and uppercuts he should have tried to get inside more as outside joe was pumping out his jab well forcing jones to the ropes and setting up his shoeshine flurries.
     
  6. Fab2333

    Fab2333 Needs to Get It 2Gether Full Member

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    no that means that rounds couldve been close. Just b/c you lose a round 10-9 doesnt mean you got wooped. Every1 can agree on that, one fighter may have done somethin 2 steal a round. Which is wat Calzaghe did 4 a number of them, dependin on how u jusge it. I 4 1 gave Rj the 5th round. And other rounds were ?able
     
  7. daredevil1989

    daredevil1989 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    why call into question the agenda of an american when your welsh and have obviously never even considered taking off the calzaghe tinted goggles
     
  8. Fab2333

    Fab2333 Needs to Get It 2Gether Full Member

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    ok again gtfo my thread if u have nothing of merit to contribute. Did i 1nce say Calzaghe didnt win, did I 1nce say I discredited his win. Thats the prob wit u delusional fans. No1 can say anythin neg about your guy. No1 discredited Calzaghe in here, at least I didnt. Im simply stating my opinion. So if you have nothing of merit again. Go troll elsewhere
     
  9. DINAMITA

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    Dreamworld again.

    The difference between Hopkins and Jones is that Hopkins isn't shot, Jones is. In the past few years Hopkins has lost razor-thin decisions to Taylor and Calzaghe, and beaten great fighters like Tarver, Wright and Pavlik. In the past few years Jones has been sparked by decent fighters like Tarver and Johnson, and has beaten only sub-standard opposition like Prince Nobody, Hanshaw and a rusty fat old shot version of Trinidad.

    Jones would still not have even made the fight close if he hadn't been cut. What exactly is it that the cut did to him in your opinion?

    -Did it affect his stamina?
    -Punch power?
    -Workrate?

    Because these are the things that have been letting him down since 2004 and these are the things that let him down against Calzaghe. I don't see how a cut eye was more important than these factors.

    RJJ has showed lack of stamina and workrate since 2004. On account of this, of course he was going to look better in the first half of the fight with Calzaghe than the second half. Don't be naive enough to confuse this with a cut eye somehow changing a fight that Calzaghe had already taken control of anyway.
     
  10. DINAMITA

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    Don't even waste your breath mate, that guy is a notorious braindead troll and well-known Calzaghe cumguzzler.
     
  11. Fab2333

    Fab2333 Needs to Get It 2Gether Full Member

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    Taylor that got layed out by Pavlik, Wright who was fightin way above where he shouldve been. And Tarver is a great fighter when Hopkins beat him. BUt only good when RJ fought him. BUt thats another debate.

    there is also a psychological aspect that plays a big part in boxing man. a guy gets KO'd 4 the 1st time, may never be the same. A guy gettin cut 4 the 1st time, IE: RJ in that fight. When your in situations your not use to, that can throw off ya gameplan, and you become a totally different fighter. If im so much in dreamland

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sa8t6...eature=related
    0:37 listen to wat the SENTANTA ANNOuncers say

    and thats the british announcers not even HBO. I guess their in dreamland as well mate.
     
  12. DINAMITA

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    Are you seriously trying to compare Tarver, Taylor, Wright and Pavlik with Prince Nobody, Anthony Hanshaw, and that version of Tito Trinidad? :lol: You're being silly now.

    You are right about Jones - maybe being KO'd did affect him. I agree, I think it did. But doesn't that prove my point more than yours - that Jones is now shot (mentally as well as physically), and that he didn't have the mental or physical edge to stop Calzaghe nor the stamina/workrate to outpoint him?

    A cut may have affected his gameplan, but it did not affect his stamina, his power, his workrate, or any of the physical attributes which Jones no longer has nor has had for a few years, and it was these things which let him down v Calzaghe.

    You are entitled to your opinion, but you are fighting a losing battle here mate.
     
  13. Fab2333

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    no im not comparing them, i just find it funny how their wins are greater 4 Hopkins. But not 4 Jones, especially Tarver. Who was better when he fought RJ i night add. he is great against hopkins but not Jones?

    Wright was fighting way 2 heavy. But like i said thats a whole other debate
    But answer my question, how is my view so off, did u listen to what the Sentanta announcers said. Are they in dreamland as well then?
     
  14. treva1977

    treva1977 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    i am from wales and have watched the fight ,i do not like calzaghe as a person ,i personally think he is a dick,but i respect his fighting abilities and get fed up with haters slagging the guy and saying he is crap when he is clearly the best boxer from mw to lhw.
    ps dinamita your a dick:nut
     
  15. "TKO"

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    I don't have anything constructive to say on this thread, but this post did stick out as it's relatively rare that someone contradicts themself in the space of consecutive sentences. Is Tarver great, or merely decent? Which one is it?