Rewatching Canelo vs Golovkin 1 rbr

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  1. cuchulain

    cuchulain Loyal Member Full Member

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    Now you're just talking out of your ass, Isal.


    Sanchez: "Listen, I believe we won BOTH fights..."

    Go to 4:18

    In fact, watch the whole thing and you'll hear what Sanchez thought of the judging.


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  2. IsaL

    IsaL VIP Member Full Member

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    2:20 Canelo deserves the win
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  3. cuchulain

    cuchulain Loyal Member Full Member

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    First off, that was the SECOND fight....this thread is about the FIRST fight. Try to keep up.

    And Sanchez was being polite at the press conference immediately after the fight.

    When he spoke frankly a bit later, he clearly stated that he thought GGG won both fights.
     
  4. IsaL

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    Polite? Lmao!! Sanchez is not a polite person.

    Only reason why he later said he thought Golovkin won the 2nd fight was because he didn't want to lose him.

    As for the first fight, Power punches count more than jabs.
     
  5. shadow111

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  6. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    Boxing is scored rbr. Not on marking.
     
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  7. cuchulain

    cuchulain Loyal Member Full Member

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    He is. He's a gentleman and a boxing scholar.

    He had already lost him when he stated the obvious...GGG won both fights.

    No, they don't.

    It depends on the punch. Some jabs are better.


    Now as I told your soul mate Shadow, you have your take and I have mine.

    So there's little point in discussing it further. We just disagree.

    We're through here.

    Bye.
     
  8. cuchulain

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    Shadow might well overturn Marciano's KO of Ezzard Charles on account of the mess Charles made of Rocky's face.
     
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    I mean, tbf, Shadow is a Canelo fan above all else, so I get him defending the notion that Canelo deserves full credit for these two fights.

    The thing I really don't understand was the scorecard in favour of Canelo in this fight. How did the judge find so many Nelo rounds?
     
  10. shadow111

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    Marking of the face and swelling over the eyes is a direct result of sustained success in the ring by the opponent.
     
  11. lufcrazy

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    Doesn't really address anything I said.
     
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  12. cuchulain

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    Maybe they were looking for rounds to give Canelo.
    He was the cash cow and that sometimes influences things .

    And Shadow even scored round 4 for Canelo.

    All three judges, including the blind Lady Byrd, scored round 4 for GGG.

    Sometimes, there's just no rhyme or reason to some scores.
     
  13. lufcrazy

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    Byrd should be held accountable.
     
  14. shadow111

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    How can we ignore the fact that GGG was wearing the wounds of war on his face after the match? This shows that he got hit very hard in the face repeatedly throughout the match. In many of the rounds in which you and others scored for GGG, he was beng marked up by Canelo with the big heavy punches that I've described as we discuss the round by round.

    The wounds of war on GGG's face are photographic evidence of precisely what I have described. There were rounds, for example, where GGG landed more punches, but the punches that Canelo landed were better, more impressive, more damaging and more eye catching. OK? Now, I have been accused of "thinking" or "believing" that I saw stuff that you and others did not see or refuse to see.

    For example :
    Now, if I'm seeing things that aren't there, and if GGG landed the heavier punches, then why does the photographic evidence indicate the complete opposite? GGG was the one who was marked up, with sunken eyes, complete with swelling and bruises over and around both eyes. After that first match, GGG was the one who looked like he was just in a car crash, not Canelo.

    GGG's post-fight facial damage is very relevant to the RBR, because it supports the fact that that Canelo was inflicting more damage and punishment. So when we talk about more impactful punches, and more effective punches, the results of that can be seen on GGG's face after the match. Now, facial damage doesn't score itself, but it does support and provide justification for Canelo winning some of those rounds that you thought he lost, while being outworked and outlanded, but landing the best punches of the round.
    To understand Byrd's score, we have to recognize the impact of Canelo's punches on GGG, and how those big shots may have affected her view of the rounds. Particularly rounds 8 and 9, rounds that Canelo was clearly outworked but landed absolute bombs in those rounds, punches that stunned GGG so much it probably caused a good amount of that bruising on GGG's face. Now, sitting at ringside, Byrd must have felt those bombs reverberate when they landed, and those big punches in round 8 and 9 were so perfectly placed and powerful that, well they were better than anything GGG landed in those rounds by a mile. So even while being outlanded, those punches stood out and were so good in her mind that it caused her to score those rounds for Canelo. You wanted to understand why she gave those kinds of rounds to Canelo. Well that's most likely why.
     
  15. shadow111

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    She sure did. And there are reasons for that. She also scored round 7 accurately for GGG who clearly won that round, while another judge inexplicably gave that round to Canelo. That was widely seen as GGG's best round. The difference between round 7, 8 and 9 is that Canelo landed a big right hand in each of those rounds, but outside of that one big punch by Canelo, the rest of rounds 8 and 9 were closer and more competitive than the rest of round 7. In round 7, GGG's jab had far more mustard on it and he landed it better and with more force in Round 7 than he did in 8 and 9.
    And sometimes there are. In a match of this magnitude, we need to go that extra mile and search for the reasons.