Rewatching Canelo vs Golovkin 1 rbr

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  1. shadow111

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  2. FastSmith7

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    Could be 119-109 if you were really biased to GGG going by your scorecard
     
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  3. CST80

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    GGG-Alvarez 1

    It got wider for GGG.

    Round 1 Golovkin 10-9
    Round 2 Alvarez 10-9
    Round 3 Golovkin 10-9, close
    Round 4 Golovkin 10-9
    Round 5 Golovkin 10-9
    Round 6 Golovkin 10-9, close
    Round 7 Golovkin 10-9
    Round 8 Golovkin 10-9
    Round 9 Golovkin 10-9
    Round 10 Golovkin 10-9
    Round 11 Golovkin 10-9, close
    Round 12 Alvarez 10-9, very close

    118-110 Golovkin

    117-111 and 116-112 are fine as well.
     
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  4. lufcrazy

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    No its none of those things.
     
  5. shadow111

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    Round 3 needs some attention. The scoring in this round could be due to what the OP described "What seals this close round though is the last 30 seconds were Canelo is just running from Golovkin, throws the round away, as Lara did to him when the two fought."

    I'll have to take a look to see if Canelo was "running" there, and if he was, was GGG able to land any punches. This could be a case where Canelo did enough work in the first 2:30 that he had the round in the bag at that point. Are we awarding this round to GGG based on the last 30 secods of Canelo "running"? Not sure we can do that, punches landed should always supercede style preference. I think we have the same problem with round 10, awarding it to GGG based on Canelo's lack of offense in the last 2 minutes, rather than the totality of offense throughout the round.

    Round 6 is pretty much a toss up. We have a disagreement on Round 10 with the OP giving that round to Canelo. OP also said Round 11 was very hard to score, along with round 1 and 3. So we can add those rounds to "swing round" territory, with 1, 3, 6, 10 and 11 as apparent swing rounds. There's also round 4. Round 5 should be labeled close, a GGG round for me with him finishing strong, but only just with the first 2 minutes Canelo in control. GGG pretty much stole that round with the ropes connect and some sustained offense in the final minute.
     
  6. shadow111

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    It's a sign of inadequate defense and evidence of an opponent's clean effective punching.
     
  7. lufcrazy

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    No its not.
     
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  8. shadow111

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    Are swollen eyes and a marked up face the result of good defense?
     
  9. shadow111

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    Just watched Round 3 again and noted timestamps of the key moments. The round really wasn't all that close. I cannot understand how anyone could score this round to GGG. An explanation is needed. Canelo landed almost all of the clean punching. GGG landed very few clean punches.

    The idea that Canelo was "running" in the final 30 seconds, you call that running, or like what Lara did against Canelo? Please. Lara used continual motion, Canelo stopped to fight off the ropes several times in the last 30 seconds. Canelo picked off a ton of shots from GGG during the end of that round. That was ropes mastery by Canelo, how do you guys not credit that? GGG landed practically nothing in the final 30 seconds, while Canelo landed a clean jab off the ropes.

    Here's the summary of the key punches in the round. If I'm missing anything noteworthy please fill in the gaps.

    2:55 stiff jab by Canelo

    2:28 Hard right hook to the body by Canelo

    2:25 Hard left hook to the body by Canelo

    2:22 Beautiful 1-2, jab then right straight to the head

    2:03 3-punch combo, mostly blocked but backs GGG up

    Lampley : "Triple G seems clearly thrown off, by having to worry about counter punches from a power puncher."

    1:50 Good jab by Canelo

    1:32 Nice awkward block of a left hook to the body by GGG

    1:28 GGG ducks a left hook then gets tagged with a big follow up right hand

    After that, Roy Jones "Triple G's breathing pretty hard already, Max he looks a little uncomfortable right here."

    Max" "He's being outboxed."

    Roy: "Yes"

    1:13 Left hook through the weak guard across GGG's face

    1:11 Stiff jab to the forehead

    1:06 leaping left hook by GGG, blocked by Canelo

    1:03 GGG left hook, partly blocked

    1:00 jab from GGG, blocked

    0:59 inside left hook lands from GGG, left counter upper lands by Canelo

    0:56 hard right hand to the body by Canelo

    0:51 left hook to body, partly blocked by GGG's elbow

    0:48 sneaky left uppercut from Canelo, counter straight right by GGG

    0:26-0:19 Canelo ropes mastery, picking off multiple GGG punches

    0:16 Canelo jab off the ropes

    0:11 more Canelo ropes mastery, blocked GGG left hook while on the ropes

    0:07 Canelo dancing like Ali, makes GGG miss a jab short

    The 2 judges who scored this for GGG had it wrong. Harold Lederman scored this round for Canelo. So Byrd and Lederman scored this for Canelo, with the two other judges scoring it for GGG. It's a little baffling because this really isn't a difficult round to score. It wasn't even really all that close if you recognizing scoring punches. It was a pretty clear Canelo round. But I would be very interested to hear the reasoning of those who gave this round for GGG.

    Here's Harold's explanation for scoring Round 2 and 3 for Canelo at the beginning of round 4:
    "Jim, you know me, I like to score fights for guys that do more damage, that hurt you more . . . In rounds 2 and 3, Canelo started to throw more power shots, really good power shots, and I thought he was hurting Gennady with those power shots. Gennady's throwing mostly jabs, Canelo's landed real good left hooks."
     
  10. Wizbit1013

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    Spot on!
     
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  11. Wizbit1013

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    Some people mark up easier than others

    That's no proof what's so ever
     
  12. shadow111

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    @IsaL Can you believe people scored Round 3 for GGG? What are they watching? This is really not a difficult round to score.

    I mean, I could see how people gave Round 1 to GGG. There wasn't much in that round with very few punches landed. I can see how you could give Round 4 to GGG. Round 6, I can understand giving to GGG, that was pretty even and I consider that a toss-up.

    But Round 3? Giving that to GGG just doesn't make sense. I don't consider that reasonable. GGG clearly lost that round, and the fact that 2 judges gave that round to GGG, that's corrupt judging. That's up there with Trella giving Round 7 to Canelo. So Round 3 needs some major attention. We gotta go through this round in great detail to understand how people are giving this round to GGG.
     
  13. Wizbit1013

    Wizbit1013 Drama go, and don't come back Full Member

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    Round 3 is really close, can not understand why anyone would really argue it for either fighter tbh
     
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  14. lufcrazy

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    They're the result of damage inflicted during a fight.

    No one watches a round and thinks, "I know, I'll wait until the press conference after the fight, look at the faces and then decide who won this round"

    Which is why it's entirely irrelevant.
     
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  15. shadow111

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    There's only one winner of that round. It was not that close. Please rewatch. G was getting beaten down in this round. G's punches had nothing on them, most hit gloves or barely landed. Canelo was landing hard leather throughout the round.