Rewatching Canelo vs Golovkin 1 rbr

Re-watched before i posted the above

Thanks

 

How did you score it? I know you said it was close, but who did you score it for?

 

Damage.

"Jim, you know me, I like to score fights for guys that do more damage, that hurt you more." -Harold Lederman after scoring Round 3 for Canelo.

Apparently Harold Lederman scored for guys that do more damage.

 

GGG but have no issue with anyone giving it to Canelo

 

Really? What made you score it for GGG? What did he do better?

 

Landed more punches that didn't hit leather really

 

Who landed more clean effective punches? Who inflicted more damage?

 

Well i told you who i thought won the round...

 

So here's where I'm at :

Round 1 Canelo 10-9 close
Round 2 Canelo 10-9
Round 3 Canelo 10-9
Round 4 Canelo 10-9 close
Round 5 GGG 10-9 close
Round 6 Toss-up 10-10
Round 7 GGG 10-9
Round 8 GGG 10-9
Round 9 GGG 10-9
Round 10 Canelo 10-9
Round 11 Canelo 10-9
Round 12 Canelo 10-9

Round 6 scored even pending further attention, hair splitting.

116-113 Canelo

Reasonable scores between 116-112 Canelo and 115-113 GGG.

116-112 GGG or wider demand further examination.

 

And you said that was because he landed more punches that didn't hit leather. So anotherwords you were counting hits rather than scoring the round properly which involves analyzing how clean and effective punches landed. Professional judging does not consist of counting connects. It requires an examination of how well punches land, and as Harold Lederman said, how much damage they cause and who is hurt more.

So the natural follow up question to your punch counting is who's punches were more effective and who inflicted more damage, since you omitted those aspects in your scoring.

 

It's not about judging shots after the fight, it's seeing the bruising and swelling of GGG's face and recognizing that as hard evidence that Canelo inflicted more damage and punishment. That damage should have been seen by you during the rounds and credited accordingly, but since you apparently missed seeing that when scoring, the post fight photos of GGG's marked up face are a reminder of what you missed during your scoring. So when I point this out to you during the rounds, that Canelo landed the harder more impactful shots, you know it's factual since there's evidence of that post fight on GGG's face.

Harold scored it 116-112 GGG, giving Canelo rounds 3 and round 11, two rounds that you gave GGG. Now granted, you did see those as close rounds and hard to score, but you still ended up scoring them differently than Harold. It's just more evidence that there's considerable divergence over several rounds. The fact is that that you have given more close rounds to GGG, a common theme as it pertains to this match. To your credit, you recognize that there's a path to a draw, with many hard to score rounds, but you aren't willing to go father than that.

I agree that there were some hard to score rounds, but I didn't see Round 3 is a particularly hard to score round, so we disagree there. You also claimed that Canelo was "running" in the final 30 seconds of Round 3. He stopped several times to fight off the ropes, and during those 30 seconds, GGG didn't land anything, while Canelo managed to get in a clean jab.

 

So I don't see how those final 30 seconds of Canelo "running" at the end of round 3 did anything to tilt the round in GGG's favor. Canelo was in complete control of that round heading into the final 30 seconds. And GGG landed nothing of note in those final 30 seconds, certainly not what he would have needed to do to win him that round and reverse the previous 2:30.

For you to score that round to GGG based on the final 30 seconds makes me wonder what you saw there. Canelo put on a defensive clinic in those last 30 seconds, and if you're "running", you don't block the amount of shots that Canelo did in that final 30 seconds. You look at how he was just easily picking off all of GGG's punches there while along the ropes, like he knew exactly what was coming, that's point scoring material. It was masterful how he went back to the ropes there, blocking punches, dancing, back to the ropes, picking off more GGG shots, dancing, back to the ropes, landing a jab, dancing, then more making GGG miss. During those 30 seconds, his back stopped on 3 different sides of the ropes, and each time stood there and blocked GGG's punches. The only clean punch landed in those 30 seconds was a Canelo jab.

But to you, those last 30 seconds were Canelo "throwing away the round"? Canelo put the icing on the cake of that round in the final 30 seconds, and for you to interpret that sequence so differently, that it would cause you to score the round for GGG, that doesn't make any sense, doesn't sit well with me and demands an explanation.

 

I truly believe Canelo won that match. There's more than 6 rounds that can be argued for Canelo as I demonstrated. I also demonstrated that Canelo inflicted more damage as GGG was clearly more marked up post fight. Futher, your "champion's advantage" argument is code for GGG biased scoring. You gave GGG close rounds because he was the Champ, not because he actually won rounds. Champion's advance occurs when a match is declared a draw and the Champion retains his title, it does not pertain to the scoring of close rounds. The idea that a Canelo needed to fight GGG coming forward in order to take the titles from GGG is utter nonsense created by GGG fans which has no application in judges scoring. Unlike you, I did not allow the fact that GGG was champion to influence my scoring. I scored the match straight up based on the 4 criteria of scoring and based on that, Canelo emerged as the victor.