Rewatching Canelo vs Golovkin 1 rbr

Ah dear on a boring afternoon I have to thankyou for entertaining us all...Clown prince Waffle boi...If canelos Mum met you she'd spoil you rotten, her adopted Cuck...

 

Since you're still stuck on this, I can only repeat what I said earlier. The first 2:30 there was plenty in it. The HBO commentators agreed that GGG was looking uncomfortable, that Canelo was outboxing him, that GGG was breathing hard. Lederman made it clear that he saw Canelo hurt GGG with his power shots. Even if you were counting punches over the first 2:30 and the connect were about the same, it's abundantly obvious that the punches that Canelo landed were better than what GGG landed. Your problem seems to be that you're like a robot counting arms moving without paying attention to what is landing. You seeing that round as even after 2:30 is total fiction, and then saying that the last 30 seconds favored GGG is downright hysterical. Let me remind you that that GGG landed exactly ZERO punches in the final 30 seconds, and threw / missed a ton. Canelo threw one and landed one.

Missing a ton of punches in a row is not better than throwing one and landing it, so there's no possible way that those 30 seconds favored Golovkin unless you're judging it on some kind of a curve where puches landed don't matter and all that matters if who the aggressor is. If that's your story then you are entitled to your opinion, but I consider that lazy scoring. You're using aggressor bias to as a tiebreaker in a round that wasn't even to begin with. But again, hey, whatever you wanna score it, it's your card. But I would be remiss not to explain why that is a faulty means of scoring.

I gave you an example of a fanboy and someone who is emotionally invested. Using emotional and nonsensical arguments, resorting to silly insults, that's a result of being a fanboy. There's a clear difference between that and how I proceed, and I know you can see the difference.

And surely you don't agree that anyone who thinks Canelo is P4P #1 is "void of intelligence", am I right? That's an absurd statement, emotionally invested fanboys make statements like that. Emotionally invested fanboys say things like all Canelo fights are fixed lol. Crazy statements like that are a tell tale sign that someone is an emotionally invested fanboy, they exist in la la land with beliefs outside of the realm of reality. They run away from RBR debates because they know they can't support their arguments. That's what fanboys do.

Well I can see how people think GGG won. If you count punches and score rounds because of who the aggressor is, and things like that, sure you can end up with GGG winning. If you're looking for reasons to give GGG rounds. I wouldn't call it a robbery if GGG got the decision, he did outwork Canelo in a number of rounds, he kept rounds close and made it hard for the judges to decide who won rounds, so in that sense I recogize how close it was and don't begrudge anyone for scoring it for GGG. So yes I can see a path for a GGG, and that's been my stance all along. The difference is that you only this week realized that a draw is acceptable, before that I'm guessing that you didn't think a draw was acceptable, so something changed this week in how you viewed the match. There's a difference between someone like me who saw what it was from the beginning vs you who had somewhat of a shift 5 years later to what you now consider reasonable. And still you won't allow yourself to go beyond a draw to a Canelo win as acceptable, so that is far more evidence of a fanboy than someone like me who from the beginninng, without any need to "adjust" my view of what I consider acceptable 5 years later, saw a narrow victory for either fighter as acceptable, because I, unlike you, and unlike many GGG fans, recogized how close and hard to score it was, from the beginning.

 

Sure bud, whatever you say, totally not a Canelo marketing bot

 

Lmao. Mental

 

Void of intelligence AND integrity*

Absolute not an absurd statement

 

If you're not a bot you are mentally ill.

Usyks DECISIVE win against a significantly heavier champion going up in at weight at 33 or 34yo fighting in his backyard with the deck stacked the other way is miles better than any of Canelo's wins or fixed fights. What an absolute insult to suggest this was a lacklustre win. This is not to mention is undisputed run at cruiser was not only against significantly better opposition than Canelo's spars at 168 but not fixed as well. You have no honesty, integrity or intelligence. You may like to think you have in your own world but its just flat out delusional arrogance

 

OK fair enough, and what about what Q said, that if you think Canelo is P4P #1, you are void of intelligence? That's crazy talk right? Surely you rate Canelo P4P and recognize his talent that he deserves to be at or near the top of the P4P list right?

Round 6 I consider a toss-up. We could get into who deserved that more if you want.

1 and 4.

That's a good question, I thought Canelo won rounds 10-12 and didn't think there was much debate over it, though I know some GGG fan argued 10 or 11 for GGG. Since we agree that Canelo won rounds 10 and 12, we should probably take a look at Round 11, as you gave that round to GGG while saying that one was hard to score. And once again you stated that GGG was walking him down, so we could have another aggressor bias decision. If we go through Round 11, since you admitted that both landed a decent amount, we need to study who landed better and who was more deserving of winning that round and why.

I'm not saying you're a fanboy, I think it's more likely that you're just affected by peer pressure and consensus views. Surely that is why you for 5 years didn't see a draw as acceptable, because that was the majority view and you wanted to fit in. Or you just have an aggressor scoring bias, probably some combination of the two. I also think there's some pride involved, I struck such a chord with round 3, you can't back down and admit you had it wrong, to save face, but know deep down that what I'm saying is true. You giving this a rewatch though was a good idea, you saw it differently, now see a draw as acceptable, which is important. Baby steps.

 

Why are you trying to seek validation from one person on this forum you creepy weirdo?

 

We were discussing fanboys and emotionally invested posters and you were a good example of one. I'm asking him if he considers your claims reasonable, about Canelo's fights being fixed and what you think of people who think Canelo is P4P #1. Lets face it, you get made fun of a lot for your claims, so I wanted to get luf's take on your theories.

 

I’ve been laughing so hard reading all of this and had the same question!!!! He is pointed to one person as “Proof”.

Anyways we all have an opinion and some are far out there but they are still personal opinions.

This dude is obsessed with Canelo and his tainted MEAT

 

We were discussing fanboys, and the kind of nonsensical exaggerated arguments emotionally invested fanboys make.

I could see 1,4,5,6,7,8,9 for GGG. 7 was the clearest GGG round for me, not sure why you omitted that and added 3. To be clear, I don't agree with scoring all 4-9 for GGG. 4-6 are close enough that you can argue each for either. But to give either fighter each of those rounds is unacceptable imho given how close they were. Not sure about 11, but it's probably the best argument for GGG out of the last 3 round. Round 1's a tough one. Very low output. I stated earlier in the thread that anything between 116-112 Canelo and 115-113 GGG I consider reasonable. 116-112 GGG would be beyond what I consider reasonable.

Oh, that could be your problem then. if you watched it on your phone then you're probably not able to see the punches clearly enough on such a small screen. You should watch it in HD on a bigger screen or on youtube. There's a good quality 50 fps version on youtube. Watching it on your phone is probably why you can't tell who landed better and can't split the close rounds.

I see, now you're watching it with more of an open mind, and you see how more rounds could be scored for Canelo. Good on you for that.

 

I still remember the countless laughable punches you scored as landed from Canelo in the GGG fights - inside glove slaps, probing punches, tap punches etc freaking hilarious. I also remember you proclaiming several times Canelo's punches landing from ambiguous screenshots where you couldn't gauge whether the punch lands or not.

You have no business scoring any round as you have no idea what clean punching is

 

He finds canelo sausage irresistible.