Rewatching Canelo vs Golovkin 1 rbr

Only one judge scored it a draw.

One judge gave it to Golovkin by the closest of margins and the other judge was way off.

2-1 proves the fight was very close. In Canelo's first fight at the full MW limit he fought on even terms with the reigning champ.

In the rematch Canelo stood infront of Golovkin, backed him up, and beat him to a pulp.

Golovkin is a good fighter and deserves HoF status, but Canelo will always be greater.

 

Technically yes. You can disagree with it, but it doesn't change what it is. If a horse starts barking like a dog, it doesn't make him a dog. We can look at that horse and say, that horse sure is acting like a dog, but he's still a horse.

 

The point is, the judges got it wrong.

Very few people believe that OJ was not guilty of killing his ex.
But he was officially acquitted.

That doesn't mean he didn't kill her. All it means is that the courts got it wrong.
So if OJ actually killed his ex, then the not guilty verdict does not change that fact.
It just means that the court got the verdict wrong.
If he killed her, he killed her, regardless of the opinion of the court.


If Lennox beat Holy ( and he did, very decisively) then he beat him. And no amount of poor judging changes that fact. It was officially ruled a draw, but most folks know the real score.

Even If the judges tell us that Timmy beat Pac in their first fight, we know that that never happened. It's just another case of the judges getting it wrong. It happens.

And regardless of what the judges (including Adelaide Byrd) ruled, most folks know that GGG won the first fight. And it wasn't very close.

 

I don't need your permission to tell me how many rounds Canelo won, but your view that 6 rounds could be argued for Canelo is very reasonable. As I said, there were a lot of close rounds. I gave Canelo rounds 1-4 & 10-12, with round 6 as a toss-up. I have no issues with you giving some of those rounds to GGG, and I don't see why we can't respect each other for seeing some of those rounds a little differently, while still being in the same "ballpark". I can see how you came away from that still thinking GGG was the best MW in the world, but the main thing is just understanding how close the match was, which you seem to recognize.

I think most would disagree Lara landed the more eye catching shots. Being the aggressor doesn't deteremine who lands the more eye catching shots. Canelo is capable of fighting coming forward or off the backfoot and still landing the more eye catching shots. Against Lara, Canelo was not able to land the jab on Lara, he was too elusive and negative, but Canelo was able to cut off the ring to an extent and significantly outland Lara in terms of power shots. The main problem for Lara was that his punches didn't have any mustard on them, even his jabs were very weak for the most part compared to GGG which were far stiffer. So every time Canelo landed, the judges noticed them and credited them appropriately.

Compared to Canelo GGG 1, Canelo Lara was much lower output. Even though Canelo was backpedalling for much of GGG 1, there was still far more punches landed than in Canelo Lara. Lara was very negative, unlike Canelo in GGG 1 who backpedalled but then stood and traded with GGG when GGG got close. Lara didn't do that against Canelo. He refused to engage, and he really wasn't setting traps. He was mainly just jabbing jabbing and kept moving away all night. Canelo moved away from GGG, but not to the extent Lara did against Canelo. Lara fought scared against Canelo, whereas Canelo fought cautiously against GGG the first time. That was the difference. Cautious but still willing to trade and load up with big shots when he had to. That's what made it so exciting. Lara wasn't willing to commit to big punches against Canelo, and for good reason. He was afraid of being countered and hurt.

 

That's true, Lara did make Canelo fight his fight, but Canelo didn't get frustrated with that like GGG did against Canelo the first time. Canelo was perfectly content to remain patient, he's notoriously a slow starter, low output fighter who makes his punches count. Yes Lara did have some flashy eye catching 1-2s, but he didn't have the power to deter Canelo from coming forward and figuring out his movement. Granted Canelo didn't really deter GGG from coming forward either, but that's largely because GGG has an iron chin is very strong willed and has a hell of a poker face. Lara didn't land the kind of bombs on Canelo that Canelo landed on GGG the first time so there was no real resistance from Lara like there was from Canelo in GGG 1.

The main difference for me is how much more negative Lara was against Canelo than Canelo was in GGG 1. So yes Lara did make Canelo fight his fight, but Lara also had to fight that way because he knew how dangerous of a puncher Canelo was, and unlike Canelo against GGG, didn't how the power or counter punching ability to stand there and trade with him. Canelo was far better at mixing it up with GGG than Lara was against Canelo. Canelo would backpedal some of the time, but then would stand there and trade same of the time, other times he would go back to the ropes, other times he was use upper body movement. Lara just pretty much did the same thing over and over again, rinse and repeat. Throw out the jab, with the occasional right hand creating some flashy 1-2s. And Canelo was able to adjust to that style and movement because it was more predictable. But there was no upper body movement, no slipping of punches, not many hooks, uppers, body shots etc.

Being a ring general is truly about keeping your opponent guessing in there and making him uncomfortable. Lara didn't do that to Canelo like Canelo did to GGG. Lara is a good solid boxer puncher who throws a lot of straight punches, which suit him due to his significant reach advantage on Canelo. Canelo didn't have that kind of reach advantage on GGG, so he had to mix it up more and keep GGG off balance. So Canelo's strategy in GGG 1 was far more versatile and had more depth to it than Lara's more basic super-cautious strategy against Canelo.

 

A convicted PED cheat is a convicted PED cheat.

 

Didn’t read.

 

Shadow-of-a-Real-Man...still has his passive fan base...the mirror!!...

 

Your eyesight is on a par with Shaddow's.

GGG won both fights.

Canelo made the second fight a little bit closer, maybe because he had been so recently on the magic beef, but he did lose again.

Canelo is an ATG and will go down as such. He has a body of work including championships that includes 154, 160, 168 and 175.

But Golovkin ranks as the better of the two at 160, both by resume and head to head.

 

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Your completely skewed and Canelo favouring perception is showing itself again. Lara was landing snappy clean straights on Canelo throughout. His jab is obviously not as damaging or solid as Golovkin's however. Canelo struggled to land on Laraas head throughout that fight and resorted to mainly if not solely body punches, and a lot of those body punches were not clean - hitting arms, elbows and resorting to desperate inside glove slaps (which, you guess it Shadow, is not clean punching)

 

Dude, give up. IsaL and Shadows views are set in stone no matter what objectivity you bring. Shadow straight up denies what is clear to see and IsaL is just generally not worthy of debate and is not half the debater Shadow is (even if his perception is skewed beyond imagination)

 

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