rewatching tyson-douglas

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by di tullio, Jul 6, 2010.


  1. homebrand

    homebrand Well-Known Member Full Member

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    riiiight.
     
  2. realsoulja

    realsoulja Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jP8r5uaipe8[/ame]

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BSBqWNjqroQ[/ame]

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lymJP1HrRAQ[/ame]

     
  3. realsoulja

    realsoulja Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gHcbFUTIslI[/ame]
     
  4. sir axeman

    sir axeman Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Make weight? Why...did he have a limit he had to get to?? Tyson was simply unfocused and thought all he had to do was turn up. Not too dissimilar to Lewis against his 2 KO losses. Sure Lewis lost with 1 punch KO's from big punchers with shots he didnt see coming..and Tyson was beaten and worn down before the vicious KO. But the bottom line was the same end result! Complacency sets in. The guy who posted earlier his 3 points were spot on IMO.

    Losing Rooney.
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    believing his own hype

    = Tysons downfall. Tyson despite his aura of invincibility was human after all and just like all fighters had to remained 100% focused to keep his title. He didn't and lost.

    Nobody considers that Tyson wasn't a great fighter or that Douglas was of comparitable greatness becuase Douglas went on to show his true level against Holyfield and the that was his 15mins of glory over. Tysons weakness that prevented him being as great as he could have been was lack of focus. He got rich, didnt need to be disciplined and got lazy and paid the price several times later on in his career. Nobody thinks Danny Williams or Kevin McBride were great fighters...Tyson was long gone by then....he even said so that he was only fighting for a pay day against everyone from even as far back as Lewis onwards.
     
  5. Azzer85

    Azzer85 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Before the Tyson Lewis Fight a documentary was show on UK Channel 4 called the "baddest man on the planet" it was about the fight but 2bh had nothing to do with Lennox Lewis. It had a great soundtrack to it, its really really hard to find, i used to have it on video but this was a few years back now and ive lost it.

    They go through Tysons life and there is various comments from people Like Rooney, Bert Sugar etc

    it then comes to Bill Cayton, who says what i mentioned earlier, he says "I know its never been said but i blieve Tyson starved himself going into the fight." he then goes on to explain the reason this, is that when Cus was alive he was used to stress to Mike, that heavyweights can get obese because they dont have to make weight, so Mike didnt want to come into the ring looking obese so he starved himself into weakness to come in looking in decent shape.

    Now im not saying this, but this is what i heard on the doc, make of it what u may

    PS i also agree with the guy above
     
  6. tim851

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    My view is that Tyson got worse with EVERY fight. His first fights were his best, he was bouncy, he really jabbed, he had an outside game. With every fight, it became more apparent that his early opponents were absolutely no match and Tyson slowly but surely abandoned the Sweet Science. Already in the Berbick fight, Mike is flat-footed and basically just overwhelms the champ physically. Same goes for scared-as-sh*t Spinks and old-as-f*ck Holmes.
    When Mike finally faced Douglas, he had lost every ounce of boxing ability. He never regained them. No bobbing and weaving, no in and out, just flat-footedly jumping into the guy, hoping to catch him with a big shot coming in. And hell, it almost worked. And yeah, Douglas fought back, but I don't think it was that tremendous a fight of him. Holy or Lewis at that time would've still beaten him.
    It was the lack of any boxing that gave Mike harder times than necessary against Ruddock and had him hopeless against Holyfield.

    I don't think the death of Cus D'Amato had really that big an impact on Mike as a boxer (as person probably yes). He just had it "too easy", he was gifted with an awesome body for a boxer and never really had a tough fight until it was too late. He never had the epiphany that things were gonna get harder. And they were. Holy in '90 was a beast. Fast, consistent, durable and with a mighty heart. Even if Douglas had not gotten up from that uppercut, Tyson would have met his demise against Holy.

    But, obviously, putting a guy with the mental age of a 13-year-old and undeniable personality issues in the cesspool of Don King didn't help matters at all.
     
  7. ecdrm15

    ecdrm15 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    :yep:deal