Ricardo Lopez , do u consider him 1 of d top 10 greatest Mexicans of all times ?

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  1. frankenfrank

    frankenfrank Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    His power was not rare 4 his size . D 5'5" didn't want 2 get it checked 3 lbs up against Michael Carbajal or d 5' Melchor Cob Castro . If he fought 1 of them , his power would have been proven as very ordinary 4 his size .
    Putting out bums impressively is something most do during their prospect stage . In Ricardo Lopez' case , d prospect stage lasted until his retirement .
     
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  2. ripcity

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    There aran't that many boxers better than Ricardo Lopez. That's in the history of boxing. Not just among Mexicans. He was also absoulty domament. He would have domanated any division he fought in. I find not ranking him highly because he was only a strawweight a stupid excuse.
    I rate him as the best ever pound for pound from Mexico.
     
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  3. sweet_scientist

    sweet_scientist Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Saldivar had retired and spent two years away from the game before his losses. He was not at his best when he fought Shibata. As for his loss to Jofre, it meant about as much as Duran's loss to Leonard in their 3rd fight.

    :lol: So even the Mancini debacle is questionable?

    Nothing has surfaced to suggest that it was in any sense illegitimate. I'm happy to accept it on face value until there's a good reason to think otherwise.


    No more than probably 200.

    Grazing jabs are better than wafts of air.
     
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  4. frankenfrank

    frankenfrank Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    He was 7 years younger than Jofre and Jofre also retired and came back .
    Saldivar had time 2 train & spar 4d fight , hadn't he ?
    Did some1 pull him out of his bed by surprise and 4ced him 2 fite ?
    Was he rushed in2 d ring or else NC ? (like Griffin was against Jones 4 their rematch) any better Xcuse ?

    D Mancini debacle is not a stoppage loss .

    U have nothing about that fight except from a record writing .

    Right

    but it was wafts of air either way , d difference is that Ramirez tried 2 win and Whitaker only fought 2 survive .
    I don't remember Whitaker landing anything during their 1st fight , at least not any more than Ramirez has landed .
     
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  5. sweet_scientist

    sweet_scientist Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I take it you think Ray Leonard tarnished his legacy by losing to Hector Camacho too. The loss to Jofre was completely meaningless. Saldivar was done at that stage.


    It's a stoppage from winning a round loss.


    Yeah. Could be wrong. As soon as I get even the slightest piece of evidence to say otherwise, I'll make a song and dance about it along with you. I like Ramirez, don't like the idea of him getting TKO'ed.

    I'll actually watch the fight again, seen it plenty of times already, and try and give a Ramirez friendly card. I'm certain you can't honestly give him more than 5 rounds.
     
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  6. sweet_scientist

    sweet_scientist Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I think Ramirez clearly won rounds 7 and 8.

    You could make a case for him winning rounds 5, 10 and 12 also.

    You could probably argue for even rounds in 2 and 9.

    So if you give him every benefit of the doubt, a draw is arguable.
     
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  7. frankenfrank

    frankenfrank Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Leonard was 6 years older than Camacho .
    Saldivar was 7 years younger than Jofre .
    your comparison is off by 13 years and your logic is warped as usual .
    Beautiful analogy . Takes a Joe Louis intelligence 2 make such a beautiful analogy . I doubt that O'Riray could do it , though , as it still needed some use of memory in n amount sufficing 2 more than just pulling out 3 words and compiling a sentence containing more than just a subject .
    Hence , it might still require and indicate on some intelligence .
    Sadly it's still better than any1 whom has Lopez @ 1-8 4 no reason .
    And as evident that opinion is common and viral .
    Do not understand .


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    but , it does not matter , because it was not a stoppage .

    and now i c , even on paper it's a tko as opposed 2 a ko . go figure it might have even been a rigged stoppage , not that KOs can't b rigged .
    but most importantly is that u have nothing on that fight other than a record listing .
    Don't have d time 2 watch it entirely again and score it but i remember Whitaker did nothing that wins fights in that fight unless Ramirez dislocated his shoulder and quit due 2 it , which didn't happen .
     
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