Ricardo Lopez VS Michael Carbajal

True ,think Alvarez X 10 Chang wouldnt give him any space at all and his strenght and his combination punching inside would be too much for Lopez,i think he stops him on cuts.

I wouldve liked to hear Gimp C's response but now is useful cause we answered it for him.

 

Pick em fight IMO. I have a soft spot for Finito I'll admit it. But Chang could very easily win he was a great fighter in his own right. With that said I see Lopez using his superior boxing skills to pull out the win.

 

take it easy there lopez was past his best yet still beat alaverez, no disrespect but i always see you starting threads saying i have just watched roserio or orlando canizales for the first time, yet you speak like you have been into boxing for years! for a guy who is new to boxing! you have a big mouth, and you dont know what your really talking when speaking about lopez. Also reason i said alot of people think carbajal avoided lopez cause there was a 2 page special in a ring magazine from the 1990's asking why the fight has not happend and comments from lopez saying how much he wants the fight, also alot of other boxing fans think carbajal avoided lopez

 

You pick Carbajal to beat Lopez, but not Chang? The worst thing you can do with Lopez is give him time and space to work his combination's. Carbajal does that, he's one-paced, but Chang was relentless. Worst possible style match-up for Lopez. Chang takes it relatively easily.

 

Dude he doesnt even know who Chang is .

 

Are we talking about Orlando Canizales or Edwin Rosario? Sorry to say, Iran, we aren't. Perhaps those punches you took against Roberto Duran mashed your brain. In all seriousness, I've seen plenty of Ricardo Lopez. and I have Michael Carbajal's career set. Lopez had the opportunity to move up to the Light Flyweight division much earlier than he did and if not fight for the title straight away, at least establish himself as the number one contender. He milked his way through a **** poor division instead, whereas Carbajal was having tough, competitive fights with Humberto Gonzalez.

What part of what I said about Lopez does not ring true, Iran?

 

You see why I can't ever take your seriously. But you want me to make a top 25 list?atsch

 

That's easy to say for a guy who underrates Finito like you do. Carbajal IMO was the better fighter than Chang despite what most people here might think.

 

...Now that's a controversial opinion. The Classic would have fits.

 

just finished watching hopkins fight, why i was so long geting back to you, for me addie you are selling lopez very short he always called and wanted the carbajal fight, but it never happend! maybe it was not carbajal maybe his management avoided lopez. Also weather your fight a, b or c class to go undefeated in 50 fights, i think 30 of them were championship fights is something special. Its not lopez's fault he was a rose in a garbadge bin marciano had the same problem

 

I'm not selling Ricardo Lopez short, Iran, and this is why. I've always said that Ricardo Lopez was technically a great fighter. His punches were thrown with pin point precision, and were as straight as Arguello's punches. He had great power for a man of his size, and not enough can be said for his consistency, regardless of competition. That said, Michael Carbajal was a big hitter by Light Flyweight standards, and had knocked out the likes of Humberto Gonzalez and Jorge Arce, the latter coming at the twilight of his career. If Carbajal can land on Lopez, it might be trouble. Look at how these guys fall

This is a highlight I made by the way. I make note of that after you question my legitimacy as a knowledgable boxing fan. I make threads about fighters, sometimes who I've not seen much of, because I'm eager to learn.

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I picked Carbajal mainly to raise some debate. There is no doubt in my mind that he has the power to win the fight, and the ability and variety in offense to find the target often. However, Carbajal was often one paced and let his opponents off the hook. Lopez works best when he's not taken out of his comfort zone, and whereas a Chang and Gonzalez would certainly do that, I see Carbajal sitting in the pocket and posing a lot. This gives time for Lopez to work his beautiful combination's.

...Can go either way, I was just playing devil's advocate. Regarding the Marciano comparison, Lopez had the opportunity to move through divisions, the Rock didn't.

 

Ricardo Lopez is overstated by some individuals not because of him having trouble with Alavarez, but because he operated in a garbage division. He had a choice to move up to Light Flyweight and work his way up to the top the hard way, but he didn't do it when Carbajal and Gonzalez were big players in the division.

The Alvarez fight, too me, only serves as evidence to suggest we not only overstate Lopez's all-time great credentials, but his technical ability. He was allowed to display his amazing skills every time out because he was fighting guys who didn't have a prayer. Barrera looked like the second coming of Julio Cesar Chavez when he fought Jesus Salud and Enrique Sanchez, and those two were better than the majority of people Lopez fought. Most of his opposition didn't have the tools to take Lopez out of his comfort zone, and therefore he was allowed to operate at his own pace, and fire off combination's at will.

 

A shame this never happened.

 

If you read my post again, you will notice that I alluded to Lopez's competition at Minimumweight being poor. Therefore I'm not basing him on one fight, I'm basing him on beating fighters my mother could have knocked out, to a coin a Greg Haugen phrase. Joke aside, Lopez was allowed to look good because his competition was B level at the very best. He's get credit for being talented and consistent, nothing more.

At the end of his career, whereas before he took the best that Humberto Gonzalez had to offer. To say Lopez hit as hard as Carbajal is totally unfounded. Not only did he operate at a lower weight class, but he was defending his title against guys Carbajal would have sparked out in 3-4 rounds. Lopez had better skills and a better reach, but Carbajal has the equalizer in my judgment. Is that to say Carbajal would win? Who knows, but it'd be more competitive than any fight Lopez had campaigned in before.

Michael Carbajal faced more 108lbs titlists than any other Light Flyweight in the history of the sport. In total, he challenged 10 world champions. The likes of Gonzalez, Grisby, Kittakasem, Jesus Chong, Jorge Arce, among others. He defeated 8 of them. That's to say, Carbajal faced better competition than Lopez, and I don't expect to many arguments from anyone.

I'm curious, considering Carbajal was showcasing his skills against higher level of opposition, how can you so confidently say Lopez was the superior fighter?

It's fine, you haven't backed up anything you've said anyway. It's not your fault, Lopez didn't do you any favors by continuing to fight in a barren wasteland for the majority of his career. He was allowed to look so good and be so dominant because his challengers weren't worthy opponents. There's every chance when he moves up a division to fight a guy like Carbajal, who has boxing ability in addition to one punch knockout power, that he could come unstuck.

 

To be honest, ElPerro, I was enjoying the discussion. It's not to often you get people actually knowing what they are talking about in the General Forum. I appreciate that you have an opinion worth listening too, and on second thought, I apologize for throwing in that remark. You seem to be quite an admirer of Ricardo Lopez's skills? If you refer back to a post earlier, I conceded that I wasn't all to confident in picking Carbajal...I just made the pick so I could get a debate like this going.

Reputations and resumes aside, what makes you confident on a Ricardo Lopez victory?