Ricardo Lopez VS Michael Carbajal

Absolutely. I just don't really want to give the benefit of the doubt to Lopez. He had the opportunity to move up divisions and he didn't until the competition got soft. Carbajal and Gonzalez made 1million a piece in their fight of the year effort in 1993. Why wouldn't Lopez want a pay day like that? Boggles the mind. Even if Carbajal apparently ducked him, which I don't believe he did, why couldn't he move up regardless and fight Gonzalez? Was Chiquita ducking him too?

 

I'm not really one to trash a fighter based on them dominating weak divisions. Yuh Myung Woo has become one of my favorite fighters over the past week after seeing two of his fights and doing a lot of reading about him. For the lower weight guys, there aren't usually great fighters in abundance anyway. Outside of Carbajal and Gonzalez, there wasn't much to be seen at 108lbs either. That said, Lopez should have moved up. I'd be really interested to hear from someone who has an insight as to why he didn't. Lopez was more talented than both Carbajal and Gonzalez, but there's other factors to consider.

Who are your favorite fighters of all time, ElPerro?

 

I have to disagree with you this time addie. Lopez would outbox Carbajal and take a hardfought but convincing decison. Carbajal could punch I wouldnt be surprise to see him drop Lopez in the Mid rounds,after that Lopez takes it to another level and sweeps the last rounds id say Lopez wins by UD12 116-112 115-112 116-111. Dont hold the draw and close fight with Alvarez against Lopez,Alvarez was never beaten in his prime either (except for dq loss) and was underrated himself. There wasnt much separating Alvarez and Carbajal,Alvarez was a little better boxer and Carbajal a better puncher ,Carbajal was just more known and was on PPV and Tv throughout his career.
Another thing If Chiquita could outbox Carbajal Lopez sure as hell would,and Lopez wouldnt be drawn into a brawl like Chiquita was in their first fight. Lopez to smart for that.
Another thing that post that said Carbajal avoided Lopez was right. SO did Chiquita!!:yep

 

It was mostly due to promoter, Carbajal was promoted by Toprank and Lopez king. Chiquita really wanted no part of Lopez. Also Carbajal and Lopez were busy making money against eachoter Lopez was kind of left out in the cold,why risk a fight with Lopez when they could make more fighting each other. Also Carbajal and Chiquita were well known to even the casual boxing fan. I dont know if you remember that but back then LOpez was only known to hardcore fans. He wasnt fully appreaciated until the end of his career (when chiquita and Carbajal were long gone) and after he retired. Addie you know your stuff and I know you have seen these fights on you tube,but do you remember when these guys were actually fighting?
If you did you would know what i m saying is the truth.

 

although Lopez was tall for a minimum and jr fly at 5'5 he was very small boned and I remember someone on his team saying if they had a 99lb class that lopez would have won a title their first. I think Lopez could have won atitle at a higer class if he chose too but he was most comfortable at the weight he fought at.

 

I think you and sweet pea have been conspiring against Lopez You seem to have the same argument as he does and I disagree with both of you.. Lopez would have taken Chang too. Chiquita beat up chang didnt he? Oh yeah Chang I forgot Chang was a an Old 26:roll: ha.

 

This is a nice, assertive discussion.

Just saying, it's good read. I go to these boards to read discussion but most of the time I feel like I'm wasting time. Bravo that.

Anyhow, I'm a bigger fan of Lopez, that's my bias, and I think he would be too well rounded for Carbajal. I don't think Carbajal would have outsized him 3 pounds up, and I think Lopez could both outbox and hurt him.

 

When comparing fighters, sometimes a knock against one side is the competition faced. However, sometimes you could see when a fighter has something to offer even if the level of opponent does not match the hypothetical opponent in the discussion.

Like, I'm think most recently, Andre Ward vs. Kessler -- Ward's competition hasn't been much compared to Kessler, but you could just see that Ward had something to offer from his previous resume. Even if he was the underdog, his victory isn't too earthshaking.

 

Really tough fight to pick.

Stylistically the fight probably favours Lopez, as I'm not sure Carbajal is active enough to disrupt Lopez' fighting rhythm. Lopez (as good as he was) is not as great as is sometimes suggested and is certainly beatable by top fighters in and around his weight. Despite being technically outstanding, his defence could be quite porous at times, and that leads me to think someone like Carbajal could possibly have KO'd him.

P.s Too sharp would have beaten both of them...no one wanted any of him!!!

 

Damn, never caught a glimpse of Too Sharp in his prime.

What's a good showcase from him? What years?

 

To me the only fighter in my time(and I became a fan when Canto was KIng) below 112 that could have beat Lopez was Too Sharp he was just a big fly only 5'3 but i mean in physical size he even gave R Marquez hell at 118.
Too Sharp is one of the most underrated fighter and no one ever mentions him any more at fly he could do it all Big Puncher,VEry Fast,Good Boxer,Good Chin and physically stronger than any fly ive seen with only Darchinyan and Romero coming close in physical strength. He would have been to big for Lopez,but 112 wasnt Lopezs weight.

 

I think they talked about a 110 catchweight, but as with every big fight for Too Sharp...it never came off!!!

Everyone has a non-legend fighter that they love and for me it was Too Sharp. When he applied himself he could do it all. People see his "Matrix" video on youtube and assume that he was a showpony, but he was sooo much more than that - especially offensively!!! Tapia avoided him like the plague and Carbajal never seemd interested either.

He can give anyone in history at those weights absolute hell, and I sincerely mean that.

 

97-99 Too Sharp was something truly special....

But for me my favourite performance is when a past prime Johnson gives Montiel his first defeat. A lovely fight, but not on youtube unfortunately!!!

 

2 of my favorite fighters. This fight is 50/50 but I have to go with Lopez. Carbajal went 1-2 against Humberto Gonzalez and that was because he elected to box more in the last two fights. Carbajal though great could be a bit predictable. He threw solid combinations and it didnt matter which punch landed. IMO his best punch was the left hook.

Lopez was sublime skilled boxer puncher. Like most boxer punchers he isnt as effective in a trench war where Carbajal is the stronger fighter. Lopez Jab and ram rod right would when the outside fight, and on the inside Carbajals strength and shorter chopping shots control the inside. I just see Lopez doing what he does best a little more than Carbajal. I see a fight decided by 3 rounds or less. In a series I take 2-1 Lopez all highly contested fights:good

 

I agree. Carbajal's knockout ratio is a little bit misleading. He hit as hard as anyone at 108lbs, and he could put you down and out with a single shot witheither hand. Michael would tell you his best shot was his right hand, but it was the left hook that was the subject of so many brutal stoppages. Santos, Cuesta, and Gonzalez were all destroyed when it landed.

Not unreasonable. If Carbajal can impose himself on Lopez then he can win the find and comfortably. I do have my doubts though, he was only allowed to get to Gonzalez in their first encounter because of Humberto's willingness to exchange inside. Lopez would be trying to work his combination's on the outside, and if Carbajal is as one-paced and casual as usual, he'll lose a decision.