Richard Schaefer says he is willing to sit-down with Top Rank and have a Firm look at

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  1. megavolt

    megavolt Constantly Shadowboxing Full Member

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    I'm all for it. Floyd likes to do the promotion side of things with his hands deep in the revenues so I dunno how he would take it
     
  2. Caelum

    Caelum Boxing Addict Full Member

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    They would more than likely total up their highest fights in the past so many years and not the total of fights they had.

    Basically, Per average.

    Floyd praised Schaefer leading up to the Cotto fight. And if Schaefer is saying this without ever mentioning it to Floyd...yes, it would be bad. However, do you think Schaefer would be doing it without some approval as Representative ?
     
  3. Caelum

    Caelum Boxing Addict Full Member

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    No worries.

    Yes. the topic gets tiresome. But then I start up again until I get tired of it. I need another hobby or cure for my insomnia :D
     
  4. Hermit

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    95% of what comes out of promoters mouth is a lie. The other 5% is an accident. Since This was calculated by Schaefer I don't think it was an accident.

    Again, the two top promotional companies can't get together and discuss price without the Justice Department coming down with an anti-trust lawsuit. They would see exactly what each other pays for goods and services that are normally bid. Schaefer knows this.
     
  5. Dvelero79

    Dvelero79 New Member Full Member

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    Schaefer stated they they should compare both fighters total revenue going back 5yrs.

    Schaefer might have been a good banker, but he has stuck his foot in his mouth on a few occasions as a promoter by over estimating Floyd's ppv predictions. He stated that Floyd/Mosley would do 3mil buys and Floyd/Cotto would do over 2mil. While both fights did impressive numbers, Schaefers predictions made it seem as if they didnt live up to their expectations.
     
  6. Caelum

    Caelum Boxing Addict Full Member

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    And fighters predict KO's all the time and it doesn't work out. It's hype.

    Should we go down the list of things Arum, Roach, and others have said ?

    It's more than likely going to go on a fight by fight basis given it is for one fight. So, it will be the average.

    They just have more than one example for each to work off of on what they are able to generate in each fight.
     
  7. Hermit

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    Now ya got the picture. Most of the boxing world agrees that Floyd's offer was bs and 50/50 is fair so he had to do something to appear reasonable.
     
  8. Jimmy The Geek

    Jimmy The Geek Active Member Full Member

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    If GBP can get Floyd to accpets his second-rate status, then they will have done a lot. We all saw what the Pacman did against Oscar and Cotto as compared to what Floyd could do. Floyd is a #2 fighter, and he should learn to live with this fact.:deal
     
  9. Dvelero79

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    Hyping and over valuing is 2 different things. I'm all for good fight hype. Dont see how over valuing your fighters ppv drawing power is hype though.
     
  10. Caelum

    Caelum Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Most of the boxing world are fans that want to see the fight and not the two fighters that want to get what they are worth (or in this case, possibly more than they are worth). only the fighters have their numbers. Only the fighters see what goes into their bank account. All numbers aside that we see isn't what the real numbers are going into their account.

    I hear 22+ million for Pac in this fight. 50+ million for Floyd in this fight. Sounds good. Sounds like Floyd is getting more money than Pac. True, or False ? I don't know. I don't have his bank account number.

    Boxers can be stubborn when it comes to business.

    And this fight can fall through.

    the main reason why it was said that Oscar vs. Floyd II fell through was over Money. Money being, "Money May" overvaluing himself according to O$car.

    Other times, any money lost in the first fight can be made up in the second fight.
     
  11. megavolt

    megavolt Constantly Shadowboxing Full Member

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    If a firm was propositioned I doubt they'd do little more than an arithmetic average. That disadvantages the party who fights more often.
     
  12. Hermit

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    Short of having people 'vote' on who they bought the PPV for there is no real way of telling who brings in what. This will bring in money that neither would bring in by themselves. Each are clearly entitled to 50/50 on that. How do you split that out based on old numbers? That's why I say this whole thing is PR. May drew his line in the sand on testing. Pac has drawn his with the revenue.
     
  13. Caelum

    Caelum Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Same reason why rappers throw around bitches and money in their videos but when the director calls "cut," they go home with their plan white t-shirt, saggy old pants, and no hoes. It's for the cameras.

    Same reason why Donald Trump acts like he is the richest man in the world.


    I don't really get it. I wouldn't do it myself although maybe I would let someone else do it if it is proven to be affective.

    But sometimes there is some sanity to it. It does work sometimes. When you are over-hype something, over-valuing it...increasing the hype...and in this case, praise how many people are going to buy it....sometimes...it works on the viewers who may have been on the fence in buying it or some that weren't...now want to be a part of it because they don't want to be left out.
     
  14. Caelum

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    Really ?

    You just see what the draw was for each fighter. It's not like they were fighting on the same card.
    Richie-boy went through what they would be looking at. However, like another poster brought up, I'm not sure how this works out given Floyd is said to have his hands in promotional money and other ventures.

    As far as extra viewers, that is covered in the percentage. Now it wouldn't be covered in the buyout; which is why Pac more than likely laughed it off. you get your guarantee and then the cut of the PPV buys and so on.
     
  15. Hotsauce

    Hotsauce Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    i really don't care what the split is as long as its reasonable.