Richard Schaefer: ''Why not Floyd Mayweather vs. Shawn Porter?''

antonio plaisir · Apr 24, 2014

PernellSweetPea said: ↑

it is a shame that fights cannot be made like in the fab 4 era. Are you aware that Hearns,Duran Leonard,Benitez, all fought each other within 4 years. Elite fighters fighting each other. It was not hard to make the fights. Ray and Benitez fight Nov. 1979, Ray fights Duran June and Nov. 1980, Hearns fights Ray Sept 1981, Duran fights Benitez, Jan .1982 Hearns fights Benitez Dec 1982 and Hearns fights Duran June of 1984. 7 fights in just 4 years. if you add in Hagler, 10 fights in 7 years, add Cueves in there and 12 fights made in 7 years, Cuevas fighting Hearns and Duran in 1980 and 1983.

That is promoting the big fights for the fans..making the fights. Imagine if we would not have had those fights at that time, the fab 4 era would not be as great. My point? The promoters are hurting boxing by not making fights. Who cares if promoters don't like each other. That is their problem. We want the fights as fans. It is about boxing and not them and their money.. If elites of 30 years ago could fight all the greats, why can't guys now fight? Not to compare Chavez and GGG to legends like Duran or Hearns, but that GGG vs. Chavez fight should happen. If it does not happen because of promotion, that is a shame.
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not a shame but a disgrace. great post.

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I recall a Ring magazine cover back in the late 80's showing a hand coming out of the TV set clutching a stack of $$$ and the title was "Now you'll Pay" of coarse this was the onset of PPV into the main stream. Back in the Day the main men had to fight 3/4 times a year, title defences or exhibitions just to put bread on the table, all roads led to SRL who had become the big $$$$ kid of the lower weight divisions. But today we have the mega $$$$$ HBO/Showtime cable conglomerates spewing out obcene amounts of cash to the anointed few & there lies the rub, it's now all about becoming the Golden Goose scoffing out as long as you can in that PPV $$$$ trough & there's no room for anyone else except the anointed one, if yer want a little taster from that PPV $$$ trough you'd better sign up with Al Hayman/Goldenboy or kick back some of yer handout to the vultures in place.

We are know seeing what in effect is a complete monopoly/domination of the boxing scene by way of promotional blackmail. This is why mayweather ducked & dived his way into the Orbit of DLH who was the resident PPV Golden Goose, beat him & all the gold is yours & it's one thing getting there, but it's another bag of beans trying to stay there & Mayweather has played this set of cards perfectly, retiring when danger loomed he retired, pressed on pacquiao, he went on vacation, picking opponents who have large fan bases & on & on, real smart operator is floyd, he's played it like a fine fiddler.

If TR start getting sidelined then this is really going to be so bad for boxing in the main. It's farcical as it is, this is capitalism at it's apogee, you start out with 100 small promoters = competition, then there are 50 small/medium left, then there are 10 fair sized fish remaining & then there a 4 & those 4 are whittled down to 2 & as we know there is only one crown, someone has to submit & now we are approaching the end, a dictatorship that will collapse in on it's self, the dog that has chased it's tail has finally caught up with it & is consuming itself. The Pac/Mayweather debacle is the ultimate example of $$$ self preservation & the rest can go fcuk themselves, only when the punters stop weigning in with the PPV $$$ will you get any evolution or devolution in this case so you get promoters cooperating with each other to give the paying public what they really want to see.
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another great post. it is endemic of the current era that its defining fight hasn't happened, and damning that "fans" fully support this.

PernellSweetPea · Apr 24, 2014

duranimal said: ↑

I recall a Ring magazine cover back in the late 80's showing a hand coming out of the TV set clutching a stack of $$$ and the title was "Now you'll Pay" of coarse this was the onset of PPV into the main stream. Back in the Day the main men had to fight 3/4 times a year, title defences or exhibitions just to put bread on the table, all roads led to SRL who had become the big $$$$ kid of the lower weight divisions. But today we have the mega $$$$$ HBO/Showtime cable conglomerates spewing out obcene amounts of cash to the anointed few & there lies the rub, it's now all about becoming the Golden Goose scoffing out as long as you can in that PPV $$$$ trough & there's no room for anyone else except the anointed one, if yer want a little taster from that PPV $$$ trough you'd better sign up with Al Hayman/Goldenboy or kick back some of yer handout to the vultures in place.

We are know seeing what in effect is a complete monopoly/domination of the boxing scene by way of promotional blackmail. This is why mayweather ducked & dived his way into the Orbit of DLH who was the resident PPV Golden Goose, beat him & all the gold is yours & it's one thing getting there, but it's another bag of beans trying to stay there & Mayweather has played this set of cards perfectly, retiring when danger loomed he retired, pressed on pacquiao, he went on vacation, picking opponents who have large fan bases & on & on, real smart operator is floyd, he's played it like a fine fiddler.

If TR start getting sidelined then this is really going to be so bad for boxing in the main. It's farcical as it is, this is capitalism at it's apogee, you start out with 100 small promoters = competition, then there are 50 small/medium left, then there are 10 fair sized fish remaining & then there a 4 & those 4 are whittled down to 2 & as we know there is only one crown, someone has to submit & now we are approaching the end, a dictatorship that will collapse in on it's self, the dog that has chased it's tail has finally caught up with it & is consuming itself. The Pac/Mayweather debacle is the ultimate example of $$$ self preservation & the rest can go fcuk themselves, only when the punters stop weigning in with the PPV $$$ will you get any evolution or devolution in this case so you get promoters cooperating with each other to give the paying public what they really want to see.
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This is a great post. I agree. But like you said, Floyd fights guys with big fan bases so the PPV money will still be there. In the end the fighters will be the ones hurt. There will be no fab 4 era again until a bunch of fighters fight each other and make the great matches reality and for years there will be something to talk about for generations. Floyd and Pac and all the other fighters will still be seen as great, but not near other eras which actually fought each other.

MrMagic · Apr 24, 2014

Why not Shawn Porter vs. Keith Thurman, with the winner facing Floyd?

PernellSweetPea · Apr 24, 2014

MrMagic said: ↑

Why not Shawn Porter vs. Keith Thurman, with the winner facing Floyd?
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No one really knows who they are outside boxing insiders. Who will pay the PPV? Like Duranimal said, the large fan bases are who Floyd fights to get the sale of PPV. Porter is more of a risk than Maidana probably but less of a name- Maidana has that big backing, and he has fought big fights like Khan and Broner to earn his reputation. Nevertheless, it is very unlikely that he lands a clean punch on Floyd and knocks him out, so Floyd has a successful fight. Many years ago the top fighters like Duran,Hearns and Leonard, had to fight each other for the big paydays of a few million. Nowadays, a guy can get that fighting anyone, so they don't need to take the big chance for the big money.

Bald_Toad · Apr 24, 2014

why not, it's not like floyd is going to fight who we want

Manfred · Apr 24, 2014

duranimal said: ↑

I recall a Ring magazine cover back in the late 80's showing a hand coming out of the TV set clutching a stack of $$$ and the title was "Now you'll Pay" of coarse this was the onset of PPV into the main stream. Back in the Day the main men had to fight 3/4 times a year, title defences or exhibitions just to put bread on the table, all roads led to SRL who had become the big $$$$ kid of the lower weight divisions. But today we have the mega $$$$$ HBO/Showtime cable conglomerates spewing out obcene amounts of cash to the anointed few & there lies the rub, it's now all about becoming the Golden Goose scoffing out as long as you can in that PPV $$$$ trough & there's no room for anyone else except the anointed one, if yer want a little taster from that PPV $$$ trough you'd better sign up with Al Hayman/Goldenboy or kick back some of yer handout to the vultures in place.

We are know seeing what in effect is a complete monopoly/domination of the boxing scene by way of promotional blackmail. This is why mayweather ducked & dived his way into the Orbit of DLH who was the resident PPV Golden Goose, beat him & all the gold is yours & it's one thing getting there, but it's another bag of beans trying to stay there & Mayweather has played this set of cards perfectly, retiring when danger loomed he retired, pressed on pacquiao, he went on vacation, picking opponents who have large fan bases & on & on, real smart operator is floyd, he's played it like a fine fiddler.

If TR start getting sidelined then this is really going to be so bad for boxing in the main. It's farcical as it is, this is capitalism at it's apogee, you start out with 100 small promoters = competition, then there are 50 small/medium left, then there are 10 fair sized fish remaining & then there a 4 & those 4 are whittled down to 2 & as we know there is only one crown, someone has to submit & now we are approaching the end, a dictatorship that will collapse in on it's self, the dog that has chased it's tail has finally caught up with it & is consuming itself. The Pac/Mayweather debacle is the ultimate example of $$$ self preservation & the rest can go fcuk themselves, only when the punters stop weigning in with the PPV $$$ will you get any evolution or devolution in this case so you get promoters cooperating with each other to give the paying public what they really want to see.
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:good

SouthpawJab · Apr 24, 2014

Florez said: ↑

Mayweather will have a size advantage against Shawn Porter, who isn't that great just because he stopped a PAST HIS PRIME Malignaggi.
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Porter has spent most of his career above 147 and started at 160+ :rofl

thesmokingm · Apr 24, 2014

SouthpawJab said: ↑

Porter has spent most of his career above 147 and started at 160+ :rofl
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He's smaller in dimension even though he's always been heavy. :think

That's why he dropped the weight cuz fighting at heavier wieghts... he didn't have any advantages.

Jordan_Davies · Apr 24, 2014

Floyd Mayweather VS Marcos Maidana - WBC/WBA
Shawn Porter Vs Kell Brook - IBF

Porter has to fight Brook next in his mandatory so if he wins that heres his options

- Marcos Maidana (after tune up)
- Khan/Collazo winner
- Kieth Thurman

Anyone of those fights would land him a mega bout unification with Mayweather for all the belts bar the WBO which is currently held by Manny Pacquiao

Floyd would have 3 fights left in his showtime contract and for me there are only 3 fights id like to see :

1. Erislandy Lara
2. Manny Pacquiao
3. Shawn Porter / Kieth Thurman / Kell Brook / Amir Khan

Porter/Thurman are the two best American fighters at the weight and both are on an impressive run whilst Brook and Khan are flying the flag for the UK.

Should Brook beat Porter then Amir Khan he would likely be in for a shot whilst Khan would also should he beat Brook/Porter whilst Thurman will probably be overlooked as he fights the likes of Maidana/Collazo

Either way the Pac fight goes without saying and Id bet on Erislandy Lara to have the best chance at taking Floyds 0

Skullrip · Apr 24, 2014

florez said: ↑

ibf welterweight titleholder shawn porter vs mayweather.

Washington golden boy promotions ceo richard schaefer said "the sky is the limit" for ibf welterweight titleholder shawn porter in the wake of saturday's fourth-round technical knockout of paulie malignaggi, adding that he "would love to see" porter face ring number one-rated pound-for-pound fighter floyd mayweather jr. In the future.

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hahahahahahahaha!

elchivito · Apr 24, 2014

Florez said: ↑

Only less than 2 years ago that Shawn Porter & Journeyman Julio Diaz fought to a DRAW.
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I wouldn't put Diaz in journeyman level he's much better than that. He's a former champ and look what he did recently with Khan too. Past his prime former champ, but no journeymen gets robbed by Porter or Khan.

ElCyclon · Apr 24, 2014

M.3 said: ↑

I was just in boxing masters thread and he said Mayweather is ducking Porter.. Which one is it?
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Boxing_master ducking intelligence.

turbotime · Apr 24, 2014

ElCyclon said: ↑

Boxing_master ducking intelligence.
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*******s gonna *******

It's a good fight. Porter won't be scared.

Imperial1 · Apr 24, 2014

MrMagic said: ↑

Why not Shawn Porter vs. Keith Thurman, with the winner facing Floyd?
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:deal

Skullrip · Apr 24, 2014

porter scores one solid win and he's now next in line to fighting floyd.

hahahahahahahaha!

oh god, that's the best joke i read today. you funny peeps.

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