Richardson Hitchins vs. Gustavo Daniel Lemos & Diego Pacheco vs. Shawn McCalman RBR.

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  1. iceferg

    iceferg Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Look at Sandor Martin, he battered Lopez not long ago he's practically forgotten about while Americans are rating Lopez top 10 p4p. Lopez even needed a bit of luck with the judges in his last fight.
     
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  2. iceferg

    iceferg Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I still don't trust punch stats.
     
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  3. Kev2k83

    Kev2k83 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Ok I though lemos won by at least three.

    That persistent holding and the ref doing nothing was disappointing.
     
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  4. Chuck Norris

    Chuck Norris Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    **** Eddie Hearn.
    **** the commentary.
    **** Hitchins.

    This is the nicest way to describe last night's robbery. I was gonna say something even worse, but decided not to not to get banned.
     
  5. Noel857

    Noel857 I Am Duran Full Member

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    Just watched it and scored it 115 - 113 to Hitchens.It was a close fight and could have been scored either way .Certainly not a robbery as is the popular opinion on here
     
  6. hoopsman

    hoopsman Boxing Addict Full Member

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    It's unfortunate that Lemos did not receive the decision he rightfully earned last night. Decisions like this provide a convenient pretext for the anti-American jingoist turds to get on their soap box.

    Humorously, I had read prior to the fight that Hiitchens was simply on "another level" than Dalton Smith. Me thinks a little reflection might be in order there.
     
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  7. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    I'm not an anti-American jingoist, Hoop. I have no problem whatsoever with the good people of America. I generally like them as much as I like Brits which to be fair is probably only about 25-50% of them at best but I'm like that with everyone. What I have a problem with is the USA being the only country in the world where they stack the deck with a home ref and three home judges for world title fights, eliminators and even for undisputed fights between a home fighter and a foreigner which is practically the norm over there but nonexistent everywhere else and watching foreigners getting robbed religiously over there.

    You have no idea how many times I've sat up until dawn watching my favourite fighters get robbed in the US time and time again or just seen foreign ones get robbed and it's happened so often, as you can see from this thread, I'm calling it before it happens and getting proven right time and time again.

    And what makes it even more infuriating is the top Americans refuse to travel because other countries are ''corrupt,'' or on the extremely rare occasions when they do dust off their passports and travel they start kicking up a big fuss about robberies in other countries and insist that the judges have to come from neutral countries and how outrageously unfair it would be if they didn't. The irony of this is off the charts.

    For example, when Loma fought GRJ, Teofimo, and Haney in the US all 12 officials came from the US, but when Haney fought Kambosos in Australia for their two fights all of the officials came from neutral countries

    Or when Kovalev fought Ward x 2 and B-Hop in the US all 12 officials came from the US but when Kovalev fought Cleverly in the UK all three judges came from neutral countries with a UK ref and when Chilemba and Yarde fought Kovalev in Russia all 8 officials came from neutral countries

    I could keep going all day because, as said, it's practically the norm over there

    This is quite patently utterly unfair and wrong and as said it only happens in one country in the world and something needs to be done about it and it has to stop.

    So don't take my venting as an attack on America or Americans in general because it's not. A lot of the stuff I say is pure good-natured banter and ribbing but this is the one topic I'm being very serious about.

    And I've never suggested or implied that robberies and corruption don't occur in every boxing nation. Of course they do. Personally I believe they should appoint neutral officials for every world title fight regardless of location.
     
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  8. Ronin Pham

    Ronin Pham Member Full Member

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    feel bad for gustavo. nothing left in his banking account.
     
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  9. hoopsman

    hoopsman Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I don't think you are anti-American, Serge. Indeed, I've always taken your ribbing of "Yanks" and those of us "across the pond" as good-natured banter that Brits and Americans have enjoyed for ....well...centuries.

    And as someone who has strong familial/lineage ties to the UK, I certainly enjoy giving my transatlantic cousins the "stick."

    I've always tried to be honest and forthright with bad decisions. Hence I have repeatedly denounced the Haney-Loma scorecards and many others.

    Truthfully, I suspect dodgy decisions here have less to do with misguided patriotism/nationalism than the perceived commercial viability of the fighters. GGG, for example, got jobbed against Canelo because the red-headed Mexicano is more financially marketable. Does anyone doubt that Caleb Plant, a native American, would have been similarly robbed against Canelo, a Mexican national?

    Robberies are a blight on the sport. The Haney decision, for instance, deprived Lomachenko of his rightful place in the ATG discussions. Nevertheless, I think you would agree that some posters use bad decisions in the States to justify their latent anti-Americanism.
     
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  10. Ronin Pham

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    Inoue should stay away from the states if U.S judges are involved with his fights going forward. Just take it to Saudi Arabia or Europe if he fights outside of Japan.
     
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  11. boxingexpert733

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    Not kovalev
     
  12. KO KIDD

    KO KIDD Loyal Member Full Member

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    I cant remember the last time I saw the forum so unanimous on decision that went the other way

    I did not see the fight but this seems egregious
     
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  13. Noel857

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    The 117 - 111 scorecard was ridiculous but i scored it the same as the other two judges.As for the forum i think a lot of posters get swayed by other peoples opinions rather than trust their own judgement
     
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  14. Seamus

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    It was bad enough the DAZN announcers were cheerleading for Hitchens trying to convince viewers how he was "on another level" but the judging was atrocious. Lemos was the boss for almost the entire fight. I don't call running backwards and then holding for dear life "ring generalship". Lemos stung him early and had him backpedaling most the rest of the fight. Top down rot.
     
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  15. KO KIDD

    KO KIDD Loyal Member Full Member

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    I think you are the only poster I have seen score to Hitchins, normally there is more dissent in scoring. And I am not saying that as a call out, its just unusual for there to be this much of a consensus on a decision.

    I think there is some sway to go with the hive and not get called out. There is also a reflex to score against the A-Side, desire to be able to cry foul, dislike of the promoter or broadcaster and desire to see them with egg on their face. This is easily done when Hitchins is an A-Side who doesn't have a fan base.

    I still have not seen the fight, don't have DAZN anymore but will likely check this out in the next week or so and score for myself. Judging by the comments I have a feeling I am going to favor Lemos work given it sounds like he pushed the action and did the damage. Maybe Hitchins was more effective than given credit for?
     
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