Richardson Hitchins vs. Gustavo Daniel Lemos & Diego Pacheco vs. Shawn McCalman RBR.

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  1. Noel857

    Noel857 I Am Duran Full Member

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    The way i saw it Lemos was constantly coming forward but for long periods didn`t throw that many punches that connected. I haven`t seen the punch stats but would be very surprised if Hitchins didn`t land quite a few more.That is how i score a fight,happy to be proved wrong
     
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  2. Serge

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    Yes, aside from this topic and genuinely hating ''US slickness'' which is absolutely horrendous, should be 100% illegal, sucks every ounce of life and entertainment out of the fight, and is terrible for the sport (and even then I'm referring this hideous brand of modern US slickness not the old-school US slicksters who were genuinely slick and great), I'm not being serious when it comes to all the other stuff which is just good-natured banter and me having fun and should be taken as such.

    I know you're a good guy and fair and as such I suspected you must have ties to the motherland ie. God's own kingdom ie. the tiny majestic isle of Great Britain :lol:

    Yeah, I'm not saying there aren't plenty of you guys over there who do call out the robberies

    Absolutely there is A side advantage and that obviously plays a part too, and yes the chances of Clenelo getting robbed again Plant or anyone for that matter are extremely slim.

    That being said, we simply cannot have one country, and it's the Mecca of boxing where foreigners 'have' to travel to in order to ''prove themselves'' and their legitimacy and if they don't they're dismissed as ''hype jobs,'' having a full set of home officials for world title fights on its shores between home and foreign fighters damn near all the time when the reverse literally never happens anywhere else. That's just ridiculously unfair and if it wasn't for me bringing it up barely anyone on here would even be aware of it, let alone discuss it

    Yeah I'm sure there are but seeing foreigners getting robbed time and time again over there and not receiving a fair shake after traveling all the way over there to ''prove themselves,'' especially in these legacy defining fights, really rubs a lot of fans up the wrong way and I don't think there's that many with a genuine Anti-American agenda on here :thumbsup:
     
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  3. Serge

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    Noel, I like you but it's not just us on this forum who considers it a robbery which it categorically was, it's literally 99.999% of social media who does too. Even the big LDBC channels had Lemos winning FFS. Usually there will be small minority of about 10-15% of dissenters when it comes to robberies and egregious robberies but in this instance that 10-15% is like 0.0001%.

    There is no way that fight was even a draw and how can you ignore the insane amount of octopus grabbing from Hitchins which he unquestionably should've, bare minimum. been penalized 2pts for, if not DQ'd because that's how egregious it was.

    That excessive holding literally robbed Lemos of a KO win, drained his gas tanks, and even allowed Hitchins to win rounds on the judge's cards he should've clearly lost and had it drained Lemos' gas tanks to the extent where he was running on fumes and got him KO'd late, which could easily have happened had he not been so super fit, it would've been an absolute travesty, an even more disgusting one than the robbery.
     
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  4. Noel857

    Noel857 I Am Duran Full Member

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    Serge the fact is the referee didn`t deduct any points therefore it is irrelevent. As i stated previously i score fights on punches landed whilst also taking into account the impact of those punches.In my view Hitchins landed more with power punches slightly in Lemos`s favour,therefore making it a close fight,Anyone who had it wide either way is wrong
     
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  5. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    It's not irrelevant at all, Noel. The fact that Hitchins was allowed to octopus grab Lemos a million times from 1st bell to last without even receiving a single hard warning from the ref or a point deduction not only saved Hitchins from a KO loss and won him rounds he shouldn't have but it's as much a part of the corruption as the judge's scorecards were. That proved beyond any shadow of a doubt the ref was in the bag too.

    It wasn't a close fight at all. The judges, the ref and the commentators were all corrupt as sin of horribly biased.

    The always insanely biased Claressa was literally barking instructions to Hitchins from the commentary seat during rounds and as much as she was desperate to do even she knew she couldn't get away with scoring it to Hitchins by the end. I've never seen anything like it. One of commentators was acting as the fighter's trainer from the commentary seat :facepalm:
     
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  6. Noel857

    Noel857 I Am Duran Full Member

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    Ok it is relevant to how the fight worked out but you can not let it effect how you score the fight. For me Hitchens out punched Lemos whatever means he used to achieve that
     
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  7. sid

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    This fight was corruption @ its highest level.The bloke on the street that has a bet @ the bookies on the result does not get a fair shake.
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  8. Serge

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    Completely disagree, Noel. You can't ignore the excessive holding. It wasn't even just excessive it was a freaking insane amount of holding. You're arguing it wasn't a robbery but it was one on multiple levels. The ref and the judges conspired to rob Lemos who clearly won even if you do want to ignore the holding which 100% saved Hitchins from a KO loss, and the commentary team, as I said during the early rounds, were playing their part laying the groundwork for the robbery with their horribly biased commentary. However, as biased as they were, and as eager as they were to find a way to score it for Hitchins, none of them could or did so by the end of the fight.
     
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  9. Noel857

    Noel857 I Am Duran Full Member

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    We will just have to disagree on this one Serge
     
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  10. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    No problem, Noel. But trust me when I say that the general consensus regarding this being a robbery is as unanimous as I've ever seen
     
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  11. Noel857

    Noel857 I Am Duran Full Member

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    Would still love to see the punch stats Serge to give more creedance to either view
     
  12. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    And FTR I don't even believe these numbers. They're BS. Lemos landed all the heavy artillery, hurt Hitchins numerous times, had him in desperate trouble, and Hitchins was mainly landing jabs, and as said, 99.9999% of fans on social media consider it a robbery

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  13. FrankinDallas

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    Teddy Atlas has been exposing judges crap decisions for years, decades.
    Both Paulie Malignaggi and Chris Alghieri have been outspoken about bad and/tor corrupt judges on ProBox TV
    for quite a while now.

    They have made proposals to fix up the issue but nothing ever happens. It's just part of the sport, it always has and always
    will be because aside from a KO the decisions are subjective. Unfortunately.
     
  14. Noel857

    Noel857 I Am Duran Full Member

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    Thanks for posting actually closer than i thought
     
  15. IsaL

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    Has Paulie ever say anything about being the benefactor of bad judging?

    That hypocrite is the only fighter I've ever disliked.