Ricky Burns v Liam Walsh Dec 15th

Really?

At Lightweight?

Really?

Your only as good as the opposition you are against and you can only beat the opposition you are against.

It's like Leeds supporters saying they are still a Premier League side, when the stadium is 80% empty and they have been in League 1 and the Championship for many years now. Nothing to laugh at, because I have a soft spot for Leeds. Or like England fans still saying we have the best team in the world on paper and we should be winning every tournament.

Yet get outplayed by Poland and Ukraine. And what are we? 3rd in the world ranked by FIFA?

:rofl:rofl:rofl

How similar is that to Ricky Burns!?! REMARKABLE COMPARISON!

Realize and recognize, UNTIL Ricky is given the chance to fight one of the fighters mentioned, he will remain fighting domestic level because of W-arren. And if he is being made to fight at the level, HE IS that level. (well he isn't deserving of it, but you know what I'm getting at)

 

Come on Craney.You know the "domestic level" thing gets a bite when deep down,you know it's not a suitable epithet.
Just like you accuse us all of being blind fanboys when you know several of us are very realistic and level-headed about Ricky.
Why don't we drop the "domestic" thing? You've spun it out very well and got the reaction you wanted.This is a **** fight and most of us know it.

 

you know that martinez, katsidis, moses and mitchell were all world level fighters, martinez has proved that again and just because he demolished mitchell doesnt change his ranking post fight, its a mark of burns' level

 

MARTINEZ WAS AT SUPER FEATHERWEIGHT :hi:

How many more times? Martinez is Ricky Burns' biggest trump and against a top rated Super Featherweight which he beat. AT Super Featherweight, not Lightweight.

Ricky has had 3 fights at Lightweight, Katsidis, Moses and Mitchell. You can POSSIBLY make an argument for Katsidis, because he has fought world class opposition at the weight. But overall that is average opposition when you include the next fight against Liam Walsh, and no way can you say Ricky Burns is world class of the back of those three fights, how do you know that? Especially when he hasn't fought anywhere near that level yet at LIGHTWEIGHT?

And before some arsehole says "well you said Adrien Broner is world class and he hasn't had one fight at lightweight." No I did not.

I said much the opposite, but for a first fight at Lightweight, up against De Marco for the WBC, that fight is up against world class opposition, in a world class fight, for a world class belt. But more importantly, it is a money fight. Forget all about it being one fight. Roy Jones Jr went up to heavyweight one time and beat John Ruiz, was he a world class heavyweight going into that one fight? No. But when he won it, he was classed as that.

Ricky should be in Broners position, but he isn't, he is fighting 59th, YES 59th ranked, Liam Walsh. Now that isn't Rickys fault, that is W-arren.

I made a comparison to Leeds United and England earlier, and in all honesty, that is very similar here. Leeds United are actually a world class club with a world class fanbase, that SHOULD be in the Premier League, but they aren't, they are a Championship club at the moment, because that is the league they are playing in. England are ranked THIRD (or is it fourth?) by FIFA

So there is an example of a false ranking, and there are still England fans who think England have the best team and should win everything before them. When that is obviously not the case, and we are actually levels below technically than Poland and Ukraine.

No, I'm not saying Ricky Burns' ranking is false, far from it, but what I am saying, is that whether you like it or not, there is far more enticing money fights for the likes of Broner, De Marco, Vazquez and Abril fighting one another, than bringing Ricky into the mix. Ricky has no pull in America and fighting Liam Walsh, is doing NOTHING to help him getting in on that mix, the mix he should already be involved in! Nor will it mean a Broner fight next.

 

I hope your right Dunky, but I'm an impatient man, this should be a 10 rounder, it's sickening how Fwank is trying to pass Walsh off as a legitimate challenger.

Frank is also saying Broner is definitely next, which is absolute bollocks IMO, to try and keep the fans happy and legitimize the Walsh fight, Frank promised unifications 18 months ago and we were fed Evensen, Laryea and Cook, why should we believe him?

Katsidis and Moses were acceptable fights and Ricky looked to be moving in the right direction, then he stepped down in class to fight Mitchell which turned out to be the mismatch I and many others thought it would be, Frank seen the £££ notes flashing in front of his eyes..sell out crowd England vs Scotland.

Next up for Burns it will probably be 'Shot' Scott Harrison in another disgraceful title defence, fish eyes is making easy money off Burns.

 

Fighting Mitchell after Moses was not a step down.

 

Sorry I disagree with this. I think Ricky has a great resume at Lightweight. Katsidis was ranked no.6 when he faced him, Moses was No.9, Mitchell was No.11.

 

I believe it was.

 

**** sake now your comparing ricky burns and his resume to leeds united and the league they play in atsch. how does this prove your point on ricky being domestic level at lightweight? [dont bother!]. its 2 completely different sports and systems, your insane! :nut talk about clutching at straws!

do you realise in that post you wrote ''no way can you say ricky burns is world class off the back of the kats, moses and mitchell fights.'' then you type in a paragraph further down ''im not saying ricky burns ranking is false, far from it.''

im done with this ****, you confuse the **** out of me!

you do have some decent points but other than that i think you talk ****!

i admire your effort tho! :thumbsup

 

Winning a SD at home to a shot Baloyi last time out would suggest Moses wasn't exactly in his prime for the Burns fight. He was never that good whilst champion, either.

I'm not saying Mitchell was a better opponent, but Burns wasn't 'stepping down' when he faced him.

IMO of course.

 

Damn, didn't realise he'd fought since Burns, Baloyi is way over the hill aswell.

Moses was a solid fighter, didn't really look at his best against Burns, I think the Acosta fight may have took a bit out of him.

You could be right on this one Kos :good

 

The rankings can lie, or did you skip past that bit?

Ricky being where he is doesn't mean he is world class or is fighting world class opposition. It means he is winning fights against the best domestic level has to offer. Which he is.

My comparison to Leeds is actually spot on, because some of their fans still believe they are Premier League......when they ain't. They're championship, they may deserve more, because of the size of the club and fanbase, but they are Championship until they do enough to justify being Premier League.

Although, here, Ricky Burns should be fighting De Marco and is deserving, not Broner.

The difference is, Broners team is the money team, Ricky Burns' team is the 3 wheeler sales out of a back of a yellow van...team.

 

the ring rankings are generally reliable, by youre criteria everyone outside of broner demarco and abril are domestic then are they? hes beaten three world level lightweights in the opinoin of most, just because he handled them easily does not make the fact that these were world-level fighters untrue, hindsight cant be used

 

Vazquez has hardly fought amazingly better opposition than Burns either as champion, you can't consider former world champions, who won and defended the belt abroad, domestic level

 

It's not like Acosta gave him a beating, it was an even fight before the bizarre "KO"

the fact is he beat Baloyi, and until yesterday he was down to fight a really good, unbeaten cuban prospect in Florida, dunno what happened to that one, that would have told us a lot.