****Ricky Burns vs Kevin Mitchell: Build Up Thread****

Discussion in 'British Boxing Forum' started by SkillspayBills, Jun 26, 2012.


  1. simmo

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    Love how split the opinions are on this! I think Burns will outwork Mitchell but he'll have his chin (and ribs) tested along the way.

    Burns by decision in the domestic FOTY...cannot wait for it.
     
  2. Dunky McCafferty

    Dunky McCafferty Boxing Junkie banned

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    I wonder if Mitchell is going to fight in those brown shorts he was teasing Buncey with on his show...

    In all seriousness, I loved Bunces self confessed uncomfortableness at having to interview kevin in a pair of brown shorts:lol:

    You thought I had missed that one englanders, didnt you;)
     
  3. pne buz

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    Burns has won me over as a boxer and proved me wrong on a couple of occasions but that said i pick Mitchell by K.O.I think Mitchell has class and has a big performance in his locker.
     
  4. SkillspayBills

    SkillspayBills Mandanda Running E-Pen Full Member

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    Keys to Victory:

    For the Challenger Kevin Mitchell

    -Counterpunching: Burns has a habit especially early of pushing his punches i'm not sure if it's because of nerves or just a general habit but Mitchell has to start early and landed aggressive counters. A little like Martinez who floored Burns backing up in straight line Mitchell will need to display some of his classy punches in order to gain respect and knock Burns out of usual stride. Punches he could throw is the left hook over the right and right hand over the jab or throw the guard.

    Burns falls out of position when he reaches for opponents when they back up. Mitchell could well go from pressing the action to moving off and waiting on Burns. I think that would be smart if he's done some good work inside.

    -Angles: Burns biggest wins are against Martinez and Katsidis both pressure fighters who don't utilize angles.

    Katsidis tries but normally reverts to type and starts to press in straight lines as it's more natural for him. With Mitchell he does move well especially off the back foot and with his footwork being decent he can create more angles and attack from angles rather then plodding. He can box the kid there's no doubts in my mind and i think he may want to mix it up and box from range and get Burns reaching and sometimes step in and take it to Burns inside.

    Ricky has always fought tall, used his height as much as he can but he squares his shoulders up and backs up in a straight line which is something a better fighter would take advantage of.

    -Inside/Outside: As i mentioned he has to mix it up, Burns fights tall on the ropes and that's where Mitchell can have success if he can get Burns to back up which isn't to hard IMO he can force Burns into his full guard shell and work the body which is open.

    Problem with Katsidis was he got Burns to ropes then just hooked, Mitchell needs to work body like Katsidis but also prize open angles and even at times step off him and draw the lead of Burns off the ropes. Again Mitchell has to be smart in these positions..

    I know many feel Mitchell needs to just pressure Burns and sit on his chest. Not for me i think he needs to do this smartly. Burns makes mistakes when a fighters move out of range he often reaches and i think Mitchell could well do with moving away from Burns and countering and then at times stepping inside and beating him with the shorter punches. It's going to be hard for Mitchell to solely press the fight as he's reverted to a boxpuncher who operates off back foot.

    Now for the Champion Ricky Burns

    -Ring General: Ricky has to gain control early, get the fans going use the energy to boost him but also knock Mitchell mentally. Gain control of centre ring and move laterally and working at own pace whilst keeping aware of Mitchell's counters.

    -Body Work: Burns is a excellent body puncher and with Mitchell's heavy drinking habits damaging body, Burns could do very well if he took it downstairs with his hooks especially the left hook to body. Eye catching shots for a big man and also hurtful and Mitchell is open to body when fighting centre ring as he holds right elbow slightly high which Burns can get under and drop some pain in there.

    -Jab: Burns does all his best work off the jab, Mitchell holds a loose compared to many British fighters as he likes to counter more then block and slip. Ricky really needs to find his range early and get behind the jab and keep Mitchell off balance and knock the fight out of the East End man. Won't be easy Mitchell moves well and does feint and slip quite well to his credit.

    I feel this is a closer fight then many feel, Burns although impressive against Martinez,Katsidis and Moses does make mistakes and this is a different type of stylistic match up IMO. I feel Mitchell's ability to punch on the move and variety and growing into weight will surprise many as he boxes with Burns and then presses the action in hope that he can become a world champion.

    The closer this fight gets the more i watch the more i tend to lean towards Mitchell who i feel can expose some of Ricky's mistakes and looking at him physically he seems for first time ever to of grown into the weight and i do feel his left hook may be the key to this fight.

    I think it's going to be a thriller, may the best man win. I'm for once not sitting on fence and not going with the masses and going for the Dagenham native to win his first world title.

    Disagree? Well get your keys to victory up and your reasons why? :good.
     
  5. outthebox

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    Great post.

    For me most of Mitchell's best work is off the back foot / countering. There's been a lot of talk about him bringing it to Burns, hitting hard, slipping the jab and winning via KO etc.

    I'd much rather see Mitchell be patient, set traps for Burns and counter with combinations. I could even see him winning on pts this way as i genuinely think is the more natural boxer with solid technique.

    If he is on the front foot following him all night, i think Burns could jab him to death Vlad style.
     
  6. SkillspayBills

    SkillspayBills Mandanda Running E-Pen Full Member

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    Thanks Mate :good. I agree i think he can set traps and as you say you don't just want to plod in and go to war with Burns because he'll just break you down to body. Got to give Burns angles and move around him which causes him to reset.
     
  7. Beeston Brawler

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    Mitchell is at his best when he fights as an aggressive counter puncher for me, not in the Marquez kinda mould by any means, he's got a style of his own.

    I think Burns should look to establish the jab early, if Mitchell copes with that I'd simply work the body. And keep doing it.

    This one is Ricky's to lose. I really hope that when he wins this people will start to give him credit. He's the natural underdog, the nobody.... but he's a better fighter than Mitchell, and it'll be there for all to see tomorrow.
     
  8. SkillspayBills

    SkillspayBills Mandanda Running E-Pen Full Member

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    Good stuff BB, You still going for stoppage win for Burns?.
     
  9. Beeston Brawler

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    Yeah.

    I think that he'll hit Mitchell a lot to the body, which will slow him down.... Burns isn't a hard puncher but he's fairly accurate, and against an opponent that has only fought at this level once before (and been stopped in the process :yep) it'll be key.

    Burns does dig in a bit to the body, much like Munroe, he could hit a pub drunk with a left hook and barely put a dent in him, but when he goes to the body he seems much more powerful.

    There must be something in that, I mean.... Martinez treat him like a rag doll in the first round, once Burns started to the body the fight was in the bag... and he slowed Katsidis down nicely too.

    Burns is growing in confidence at this level and hasn't lost for about six years, which must be big in his mind. In the meantime, Mitchell has only beaten a faded Murray and Prescott in terms of notable opponents in four years.

    All about experience. One man knows who and what he is, the other doesn't.
     
  10. SkillspayBills

    SkillspayBills Mandanda Running E-Pen Full Member

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    Good points BB, I think personally Mitchell will last the course but Burns does dig well to body and it could well take Mitchell out.

    Going to be interesting stuff on many levels tomorrow. Looking forward to it :yep.
     
  11. Primadonna Kool

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    I have changed my mind, i think Kevin Mitchell is going to win this!

    VIA TKO.
     
  12. perspicacity

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    Burns threw something like 90 punches a round against Katsidis, over 1000 all in. Unless Mitchell lands big early I think the pace will catch up with him and Ricky will keep him on the end of the jab and dig into the body as Kev tires.

    I'm going out on a limb here and predicting Burns will stop Mitchell with a body shot late in the fight.
     
  13. bazza12

    bazza12 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    In a couple of hours I'll be getting the train through for this one, absolutely primed for this fight!

    Since it was made, I've thought Burns will take it. I know Mitchell didn't look too hot against Katsidis, but generally, both of these guys are at their best against forward marching pressure fighters.

    Since neither of them will be surging forth like a Murray, Martinez, Katsidis or Prescott, I cannot see a stoppage either way, unless it is cut related.

    Burns has the physical advantages, more importantly he will not neglect them. He will keep his jab busy, although Mitchell is not the easiest to tag, it will keep him off balance and it will be hard for Kevin to counter that rangy jab.

    Burns keeps a tight guard as well, and every time I see him he maintains distance pretty well too. Throw in a good chin and the loose, counter-punching style Mitchell often adopts is not going to be as effective.

    All in all, I see Burns in a competitive but clear points win.

    On a sidenote, I cannot wait to hear Michael Buffer's famous words ringing out in the Glasgow SECC. Atmosphere should be electric!
     
  14. The taff

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    Going with Burns on a late stoppage
     
  15. perspicacity

    perspicacity Raising The Bar Full Member

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    Great performance by Burns, perfect gameplan. I thought it was a bit risky him being so aggressive and head-hunting (I thought he was neglecting the body shots), but it worked a treat. Too classy and was always in control after feeling him out in the first. Kevin was classy in defeat, hope he bounces back.