Ricky Hatton and Miguel Cotto similarities

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  1. DemolitionDan

    DemolitionDan ATG and HoF Full Member

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    -Both fighters start at 140 (technically, Cotto started at 135, but only for his first 5 fights or so)

    -Ricky Hatton, great at 140. Miguel Cotto, good at 140.

    -Miguel Cotto, great at 147. Ricky Hatton good at 147.

    -They both lose their 0's in devastating.

    -They both then lose to Manny Pacquiao early, and get dominated losing for the 2nd time in both of their careers'.

    -Ricky Hatton fires Billy Graham. Miguel Cotto parts ways with Evangelista Cotto.

    -Ricky Hatton hires a great trainer in Floyd Sr. to tweak his style a bit. Miguel Cotto hires a great trainer in Manny Steward.

    -Ricky Hatton's debut with Sr. is against Paulie Malignaggi a soft puncher that can't break an egg. Miguel Cotto's debut with Steward is against Yuri Foreman a soft puncher that can't break an egg.

    -Ricky Hatton was a 2 to 1 favorite against Paulie. Miguel Cotto was a 2 to 1 favorite against Foreman. Many experts thought they would get outboxed, they both looked great and dominated.

    -Hatton and Cotto were both two of the best left hook body punchers in the game in the prime/peak years.

    -Hatton and Cotto both fight whoever you put in front of them. They don't duck anybody.


    These two have quite a few similarities. Of course, they have differences, but very few. A couple that come right away is now Cotto is a 3 time Division Champ now, and Cotto is very much loved here on ESB, and Hatton is very much hated here on ESB.
     
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  2. Swarmer

    Swarmer Patrick Full Member

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    Fatton's defeats were way worse than cottos

    he got KTFO so bad both times. put to the floor.
     
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  3. Dynasty091

    Dynasty091 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    But then again both of those losses were against the two of the greatest fighters of this era and both were ranked P4P #1 when Hatton fought them. So those losses are understandable. :lol:
     
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  4. kirk

    kirk l l l Staff Member

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    Interesting take Dan, like it. :good

    Ill never understand the hate Hatton gets here. Its bizarre.

    I do think though its unfair to compair their losses to Pac, just imo. Cotto was still warring away with Pac in round 5, 3 rounds after Hatton had been put to rest, and actually won a round or two impressively in his own right.

    but thats nitpicking, it is indeed pretty crazy the similarities.


    Ive always thought Cotto and Vargas had some simalarities too lol...


    - Both lose their first fight, both by stoppage, to opponents who go on to have controversial hand wrap issues
    - Both lose their second fight, both by stoppage, to opponents who had come up from smaller weightclasses before and were considered the smaller guy
    - They each register 2 wins in between their losses to the above fighters
    - Both of their first two losses are TKOs in the 11th or 12th rounds
    - Both fought in good fights against a good ghanian boxer (ike being better of course)


    Of course, theres a lot of differences of course but ive just always noticed these lol.
     
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  5. Tricks77

    Tricks77 Sergio By God Martinez Full Member

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    Junior Witter?
     
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  6. Cobbler

    Cobbler Shoemaker To The Stars Full Member

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    Witter thought he deserved a fight with Hatton just because they were from the same country and fought at the same weight, but everytime he had an opportunity to make himself relevant enough for it to happen he blew it.

    It's like saying Cotto has ducked Kermit Cintron just because they have never fought.
     
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  7. Jacory Harris

    Jacory Harris I'm a gorilla I'm a dawg! Full Member

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    Meanwhile, Cottoe takes horrific beatings that have him looking like the Elephant Man afterwards.
     
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  8. DemolitionDan

    DemolitionDan ATG and HoF Full Member

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    Nah, not at all. Hatton went on to bigger and better things. He fought Collazo, Urango, JLC, and Mayweather. All of them are much better than Witter. And also around that time Witter had beaten nobody. Witter called out Hatton a few times, but it's the same as Briggs calling out the Klitschko's right now.
     
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  9. PFG

    PFG Active Member Full Member

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    You could get all sorts of similarities, what sepparates these two fighters is:
    Cotto: beat Mosley, beat Clottey, beat Judah, beat Quintana
    Hatton: ...

    That's the difference between elite and good.
     
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  10. Tricks77

    Tricks77 Sergio By God Martinez Full Member

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    I don't think it's the same thing. Cintron never called Cotto out, as far as I'm aware. Witter was calling Hatton out for years. Hatton basically said that he just wouldn't give Witter the satisfaction of giving him a fight, even when Witter was the BBBofC, Commonwealth and European Champion, and even when he'd won the WBC belt.

    Some sources:
    From as early as 2004:
    http://www.doghouseboxing.com/Carey/Carey070504.htm

    From 2006:
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/boxing/5351596.stm

    From 2007:
    http://www.eastsideboxing.com/news.php?p=13661&more=1

    From 2008
    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/more_sport/article3227830.ece

    From 2009:
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/blog/2009/jul/31/junior-witter-ricky-hatton-boxing
     
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  11. Cobbler

    Cobbler Shoemaker To The Stars Full Member

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    Tszyu, Castillo, Malignaggi?

    When did Clottey, Judah and Quintana get to be such amazing wins?
     
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  12. qcolts

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    Hatton does nothing better than cotto besides hold.
     
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  13. DemolitionDan

    DemolitionDan ATG and HoF Full Member

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    Not at all. Hatton beat Tszyu which is like Cotto beating Mosley. Hatton beat Collazo, Cotto beat Judah, Hatton beat Urango, Cotto beat Clottey, Hatton didn't really have a Quintana type opponent, but he had JLC, Tackie, Lazcano. Decent fighters as well (JLC may'be not so much decent as he was pretty much done, but it's not as if Hatton didn't beat his fair share of fighters as well. It's not as if Clottey, Quintana, and may'be throw in Judah were world beaters as you make it out to be. Both fighters have quality wins on their resumes.
     
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  14. Tricks77

    Tricks77 Sergio By God Martinez Full Member

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    Come on, DD. That's not the same thing at all. Briggs is a washed-up has-been and borderline never-was that won a piece of the heavyweight championship in a bogus decision over a man in his mid-to-late 40's, and who's currently fighting class B journeymen. Witter was, during that time, a world champion.

    Was he below Hatton's level? Sure. I won't argue that at all. But I think you're going a little far with your comparison of Witter to Briggs. If anything it was more like Hatton calling out Mayweather, except they were actually in the same weight class, and Witter was doing it year after year instead of just once.
     
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  15. Boom_Boom

    Boom_Boom R.I.P Boxing 6/9/12 Full Member

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    Thats bollocks witter has been calling out hatton for a decade, hatton promised him a fight to his face on live tv and has back pedaled since. Witter brought a title to the table and Ricky still wouldnt fight him. This junk about "He insulted me so i wont give him the payday" is nonsense, the truth of the matter is Hatton was never willing to risk his title as the best British fighter in the division to anyone who poses a risk.
     
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