Ricky Hatton: Is he an all time great Jnr WW? If so where does he rank?

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  1. GazOC

    GazOC Guest Star for Team Taff Full Member

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    I've seen the fight many times and it was a good stoppage. Steele asked Taylor TWICE if he was OK and got absolutely no response whatsoever, Chavez could have killed the guy with his next punch. The time of the stoppage is irrelevent IMO, Steele was the ref, not the timekeeper.

    What did you make of it?
     
    GazOC, Jul 15, 2008
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  2. Beatboxer

    Beatboxer Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Totally agree. I really don't understand all the fuss over it, as you said the time is utterly irrelevant.

    Why should it matter if there was mere seconds left in the round? He was not fit to continue the fight, end of story and yet still people persist that Taylor was 'robbed' of a victory by Steele simply because he stopped the fight when anyone would agree was the correct one, if it was to occur a minute before the bell.

    Why should there be a difference? Chavez did enough to beat his opponent to the point he couldn't continue, why does it matter that there was only two seconds left?

    Great fight mind you.
     
    Beatboxer, Jul 15, 2008
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  3. TFFP

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    Resume matches up top 10. H2H its hard to favour him over any prime greats.
     
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  4. Smith

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    H2H he is not a top 15 fighter.

    Achievement solely in the 140 division he could arguably be in the lower half of a top ten.
     
    Smith, Jul 15, 2008
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  5. GazOC

    GazOC Guest Star for Team Taff Full Member

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    Jesus Christ!!! I'm going to bookmark this thread, you've actually made a reasonable, considered post regarding Hatton!!;)

    Can you please address this issue and call him an "annoying fat ****" in your next post?
     
    GazOC, Jul 15, 2008
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  6. Beeston Brawler

    Beeston Brawler Comical Ali-egedly Full Member

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    I would say lower half of top 10 in both categories.

    The only one he definitely doesn't beat is Chavez - the rest he would be in with a shot at. He certainly beats Camacho & Rog Mayweather.
     
    Beeston Brawler, Jul 15, 2008
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  7. Beatboxer

    Beatboxer Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Disagree. I cannot see him beating Pernell Whittaker, Meldrick Taylor, Aaron Pryor, Oscar De La Hoya...and that's just naming a few.

    I agree with the broad consensus: he is a top 10 LWW resume wise but in terms of head to heads against those that have passed through the division, he is more likely top 20 - 30.
     
    Beatboxer, Jul 15, 2008
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  8. JonOli

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    To be fair to Hatton though one of those is probably the greatest boxer of the last 20 odd years, the other is at least pushing top ten.


    If pac loses, he still may well face DLH; and gets crushed.
     
    JonOli, Jul 15, 2008
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  9. Smith

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    Hatton has very little if no chance H2H against;

    Julio Cesar Chavez, Barney Ross, Aaron Pryor, Duilio Loi, Buddy McGirt, Nicolino Locche, Meldrick Taylor, Tony Canzoneri, Roberto Duran, Wilfred Benitez, Carlos Ortiz, Oscar de la Hoya, Jose Napoles, Pernell Whitaker, Henry Armstrong & Benny Leonard. He could have a chance against Cervantes and Perkins, maybe.

    Thats off the top of my head.
     
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  10. GazOC

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    That list is gong to get awfully long if Napoles, Duran and Leonard are eligible for inclusion. Can we at least keep it to fighters who fought for a title at 140?
     
    GazOC, Jul 15, 2008
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  11. Beatboxer

    Beatboxer Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Agreed. Perhaps we should scale it down to the legit linear Title as well?

    Really is an odd division is 140.
     
    Beatboxer, Jul 15, 2008
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  12. GazOC

    GazOC Guest Star for Team Taff Full Member

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    We're going to end up including a young Sugar Ray Robinson otherwise.....
     
    GazOC, Jul 15, 2008
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  13. Smith

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    Okay, for instance, a fighter in Loi who may not be included in somes top 5 LWW's, would have an easy time with Hatton. That sums up he should be no higher that top 15 H2H.

    I have already accepted for 140 achievement he is top 10.
     
    Smith, Jul 15, 2008
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  14. GazOC

    GazOC Guest Star for Team Taff Full Member

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    Top 20-15 H2H is fine IMHO, just that the way your list was going he wouldn't have made the top 500....;O)
     
    GazOC, Jul 15, 2008
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  15. achillesthegreat

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    I believe so. Undefeated at the weight, linear champ, win over a great 140 pounder, win over a great 135 pounder, multiple belts, beat titlists and contenders.

    Slipping up against a Malignaggi or someone of that ilk would be very costly.
     
    achillesthegreat, Jul 16, 2008
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