Ricky Hatton vs Vince Phillips

This is so hard for me to answer; whilst I was never an actual fan of hatton's, i'm from the manchester area and for them 4 years he ruled the division you just couldn't escape his hype. I mean people bet thousands on him against floyd, so much so the odds came down to evens. He had us all believing he could walk right through pacman. Seriously from an english boxing fans point of view he seemed unbeatable where i'm from. He took zoo's best shots, he knocked out maussa and jlc. He dropped collazo in the first round and dominated lazcano and paulie.

That's how it felt at the time and not enough time has passed for me to judge him accurately. People say harrison was a good salesman getting people to believe in him but the hatton hype was unreal.

I liked the guy as a man and as a boxer. He thought all the big names apart from junior. And he came through them all at his weight apart from pac.

So if i'm to answer now (bearing in mind i've just made a perfectly timed raw steak, drunk a quarter bottle of whiskey and just watched a brilliant fight between two british flyweights) i'm gonna say there is no lightwelterweight in history with a greater than 60% chance of beating ricky.

Maybe when i'm more sober i'll give a better answer but for now i'm saying he stops phillips in ten.

And so what, i'm probably the most unbiased poster on here because i'm a fan of very few boxers (and non win enter into many debates on here) so i'm allowed a moment of unobjectivety.

I'm gonna merrily say hatton tko10.

Thankyou for reading this good sir.

 

yeah his victory against tzyu sure was some coming out party.

i personally think hatton v witter would have been boring as hell and i imagined it would resemble hatton - urango; witter trying for his wild unorthodox swing adn hatton ducking inside, jabbing and then grabbing.

it certainly wasn't a good clash of style because witter was a spoiler and hatton could fight dirty.

witter was too resilient to get knocked out and too feather sisted to keep hatton off him. i'm sure he'd have landed a couple of eye catching shots when hatton was on the way inside but i see his successes being few and far between.

hatton ud, fairly wide. maybe 9-3.

 

Vince of that fight is too hot. He scores a tko on cuts late.

 

Witter did not respond well when things weren't going his own way. He rarely had to "fight" for a victory. History will show that witters best performance was against junior witter. And ultimately that's the fight he'll be remembered for. His prime was short and he didn't get his money fight. But he didn't have the will to keep going through the new era. He tried relying on a home town decision v bradley. Blamed his shoulder v alexander and fought a god awful fight in canada. I'm not even gonna mention his prizefighter.

Still legacy wise for hatton to reunify the belts would have been great for his legacy.

 

Ricky deserves to be the solid favorite here...but Vince off the crack was a pretty formidable fighter in his prime.

Neither guy was going to denied that night...they were willing to put it all on the line, both showed good chins and unshakable wills.

I dont know..I'm just feeling Vince for this one.

I think his effort against Tszyu was a once in a career kind of performance and I think not many on Ricky's level could have bested him there.
Hatton was the more consistent operator at the top...but pitting those two versions together would be a hell of a fight.

Ill pick Phillips...but at the same time I totally understand why a lot wouldn't

 

I like Phillips in this. I love Vince's chances even more if the fight takes place somewhere other than the UK. Make Ricky take his act on the road and get away from those comfy surroundings.

That long reach and long wingspan of Phillips. That busy style of Phillips is going to help also, since that is usually the big Hatton advantage over opponents. But Vince can fight at a high pace w/ no problems.This guy on the outside with those long arms is going to be a lot to solve for Hatton. I don't see that Hatton defense doing much but eating right hands from this guy. That punch will bust him up or send him to the canvas.

 

'Feather fisted' atschAsk Harris, Ndou (outperformed Cotto/Mitchell) and Lauri who he blasted out faster than Hatton.

Witter would have smashed him with the right hook the same way Pacquaio did and that's why it didn't happen, Ricky couldn't get out of the way of southpaw right hooks for the life of him, see Collazo/Pacquaio/Maggee and Witter has the fastest right hook bar Pacman

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Then he fights Bailey, Pendleton, Rowsell and Krivolapov

Urango isn't in Witter's class, he doesn't have a defense, speed and he probably got a gift in his fight before Hatton.

How can you be from Manc and be LUFCracy?

 

I was a long way into my whiskey when I made that post!

Feather fisted is wrong but he didn't have the power required to stop hatton getting on the inside, imo.

Urango probably was never as good as witter, i'd agree. But I don't think witter was ever as good as hatton neither. His performance against harris was great tho, I remember that night well. I was convinced he'd get the hatton fight, but he foolishly looked past bradley. I believe that to this day that he looked past him.

Ah that's a good question, my first football memory is seeing a team in white lift the trophy. That was leeds last time we won the league. My dad and uncles all supported leeds also. It just grew from there really wasn't long before I became a season ticket holder until the prices rocketed. But still i've gone twice a season ever since and bought every home shirt.

 

Prime Vince Phillips kos Prime Hatton in the late rounds. Would be a close FOTY type fight though... Hatton would outwork him inside and take some early and mid rounds .. BUt Prime Vince was a sharp puncher,pretty fast and would do a number on Hatton from thhe outside.,.. Both guys were tireless in their primes but Vince is the better puncher and had the tougher chin... Go with Vince tko 10.11

KInd o similar to the Philiips/Tszyu fight as far as back and forth excitement and the winner ... Althought Hatton would go about it different than Tszyu.. Same result though.

 

Crazy bet, he was 39, he would have been coked up on the night and only flew into the country jetlagged the day of the fight

 

Wait you were drinking the Irish stuff So just to get this straight are you a Manc LUFC man (haven't encountered 1 before) or a Yorkshireman? Met many MUFC Yorkshiremen mind

I think Witter was as good as Hatton if not better, I followed both their careers and have a bit more inside experience of them that most, plus stylistically all wrong for Hatton. Witter certainly had the power to keep Hatton off him, he's a bigger puncher than Mayweather.Those early rounds Witter would boss, if Hatton gets through them his better stamina/efficiency would pay off down the stretch, but still Witter's stylistic edge is a problem for him. The people around Hatton knew his limitations, that's why there wasn't Witter, Judah, Corley fights.

I hear Frankie expected Hatton to lose to Tyszu, the win was a suprise. Still Witter would have probably lost to Tyszu, Hatton had the style to beat Tyszu, albeit the older version

Witter was past his best by the Harris fight, his career was managed all wrong and got his shot far too late. The Judah fight was on 9days notice when he didn't even have a fight, and he won 4-5 rounds and made Judah look a tad foolish despite that. After that he didn't get a big top10 level fight for 5years when he was 31. He didn't get good experience under his belt, he was too good for the European/British level fighters. By the time of the Bradley fight he was 34, which was also when his dad just died of cancer and he was 35 by the Alexander fight. Those men may have been bad styles for Witter anyway but he was a faded force

But against come forward fighters Witter was at his best, that's why he bossed Ndou and Harris so well. Hatton would have given him the same opportunities

Having said all that Witter is a bit of a **** so I'm not too bitter about him not getting his shot. Vanzie was also as good as Hatton and Witter, he went 1-1 with Junior in the amateurs and their dads hated each other, Vanzie was always the journeymen in his opponents town, screwed over big time in his 2 Earl losses, 2 of the worst robberies in a British ring in the last 10years for sure

The moral of my post? The fighters who get the chance to prove themself in their prime, they're the ones remembered as the best, even if plenty are just as good.

As for Prime Phillips-Hatton, not really sure on that 1, Prime Phillips is a 1 fight man, it would have been a cracking fight though

 

I would lean towards Hatton and I dont think much of Hatton, but Phillips cant be overated off of one fight and I think Hattons pressure would get to him.