Rid**** Bowe inducted to the HOF

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  1. Big Ukrainian

    Big Ukrainian Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Let's discuss it on classic.
    First of all, Rid**** Bowe was far better fighter than Barry McGuigan or Arthuro Gatti.

    Bowe's claim to fame is an undisputed HW championship and 2 wins over ATG Holyfield.

    Overall Bowe has 2 wins over lineal HW champ (Holy), and 5 wins over former or future ABC beltholders (Thomas, Tubbs, Seldon, Dokes, Hide).

    Other notable wins - Bert Cooper, Pierre Coetzer, Jessy Ferguson, Larry Donald, JL Gonzalez.

    I don't count his wins over Golota as Bowe was behind on both fights.

    His resume is clearly weaker than Holyfield's or Lewis'.

    But he is NOT Oliver McCall or Hasim Rahman type fighter, Bowe was far better,

    Bowe and McCall common opponents:
    Lionel Butler - Bowe TKO2, McCall SD10
    Jesse Ferguson - Bowe KO2, McCall W10 (controversial win)
    Bruce Seldon - Bowe KO1, McCall KO9 (while behind on cards)

    Bowe and Rahman common opponents:
    Jesse Ferguson - Bowe KO2, Rahman W12 (against 42 y.o. Ferguson)
    Evander Holyfield - Bowe W12, L12, WTKO8, Rahman - LTD8(against 40 y.o. Holyfield)

    Overall Bowe should not be ranked as high as ATG HW's of his era - Tyson, Holyfield and Lewis - based on relatively weak resume and short prime, but he should be ranked higher and is in fact far better than both McCall and Rahman.
     
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  2. Azzer85

    Azzer85 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I agree, his resume is poor, but not that poor that guys like Rahman or Mcall should be mentioned alongside him.
     
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  3. Unforgiven

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    He deserves to be in.
     
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  4. Azzer85

    Azzer85 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    moreso than Hamed?
     
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  5. Unforgiven

    Unforgiven VIP Member banned Full Member

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    Possibly.
    They both deserve.
     
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  6. Azzer85

    Azzer85 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    your one of the few guys who believes Hamed deserves hof
     
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  7. Unforgiven

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    I don't see why not.
    He was pretty much regarded as the #1 at featherweight for four years, he had a decent run.
    One of the hardest pound-for-pound punchers.
    Had some exciting fights. And was a showman.
     
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  8. Azzer85

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    no i agree, im not saying Hamed doesn't deserve it of course he does. Its just rare to hear genuine praise for the guy.
     
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  9. Big Ukrainian

    Big Ukrainian Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Agreed. If Gatti, McGigan and Cuevas are in the HOF then he deserves the place for sure
     
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  10. Chuck1052

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    At his peak, Rid**** Bowe was a terrific fighter, but he had only a few years at best as a top fighter. As a result, I would be reluctant to select him to be inducted into the International Boxing Hall of Fame.

    - Chuck Johnston
     
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  11. Berlenbach

    Berlenbach Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Thin resume and a meaningful championship reign of one year. Hall of Fame material? Not for me.
     
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  12. hhascup

    hhascup Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Here’s the Modern Ballot with the list of all the names we received through the mail. I also had ballots that I had to fill out for all the other categories as well.

    MODERNS – Last bout no earlier than 1989

    Please check the candidates of your choice. You may vote up to 5 boxers. You are not required to vote for 5, but you may not vote for more than 5. Ballots must be submitted by mail or fax by October 31, 2014. Three (3) will be elected.

    Paulie Ayala
    Nigel Benn
    Rid**** Bowe
    Donald Curry
    Chris Eubank
    Leo Gamez
    Naseem Hamed
    Genaro Hernandez
    Julian Jackson
    Santos Laciar
    Rocky Lockridge
    Miguel (Happy) Lora
    James (Buddy) McGirt
    Ray Mancini
    Henry Maske
    Dariusz Michalczewski
    Sung-Kil Moon
    Michael Moorer
    Orzubek (Gussie) Nazarov
    Sven Ottke
    Vinny Pazienza
    Lupe Pintor
    Gilberto Roman
    Gianfranco Rosi
    Samuel Serrano
    Meldrick Taylor
    Fernando Vargas
    Wilfredo Vazquez
    Ratanapol Sor Vorapin
    Hilario Zapata

    What 5 would you vote for?
     
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  13. McGrain

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    HOF hardly matters - it's all just good fun. People shouldn't get uptight about who they do and don't put in, it's meaningless.
     
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  14. hhascup

    hhascup Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I have to respectfully disagree! Most boxing people that I know are honored to get in, as it means a lot to them!
     
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  15. McGrain

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    Yeah, meaningless was a terrible choice of word. It looks like great fun, and personally I love the pictures and stuff myself. Boxing people are known to absolutely love it.

    But every year there are these arguments, and about what? There's no rhyme or reason to it, this one gets in, that one doesn't, it's meaningless to argue would maybe be a better thing to say. Because it goes brutally wrong most years. Maybe it hasn't this year though.

    Also - i know a couple of guys who have a vote and they're quite up front about knowing nothing at all about boxing history. They've written a book, or have a connection in, BWA or whatever and now they're voting. But they don't know who the people they're voting/not voting for are.

    These two facts leave me very relaxed about the HOF. I don't expect it to go right, it usually doesn't, and as you quite rightly point out, it looks like a hoot.
     
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