rid**** bowe is maybe the best hw h2h!!!

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by ticar, May 26, 2015.


  1. Vanboxingfan

    Vanboxingfan Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Ya I remember that fight between Bowe and Lewis, what a classic.... oh wait, that was in my dreams, because Bowe ducked him as blatantly as any duck I've ever witnessed.
     
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  2. ticar

    ticar Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    vanboxing jorge gonzales stopped bowe too in amateurs...guess what, bowe obliterated him in pros
     
  3. dinovelvet

    dinovelvet Antifanboi Full Member

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    You could say the same for Joe Frazier.

    Bowe looked like a world beater in the 3 Holyfield fights alone.

    He lost the second but who knows how it would have went if it wasn't for fan man.

    Holyfield was incredible in the rematch. As perfect a fighter as you could get. Never in the same spot for longer than mere seconds. A piston jab that never stopped pumping. Extra dimensional lateral movement - always countering.
    The fight was still razor close. One judge having it a draw.

    Not many HWs in existence could have dealt with Holyfield of those first two fights.
     
  4. LouisA

    LouisA Active Member Full Member

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    Bowe was great to watch, but something isnt right when such a big man gets known mostly for his inside fighting. Take the first Holyfield fight, his finest hour, you had a massive guy with a huge reach advantage who for some reason choose to slug it out on the inside. It made for a great fight, but he gave Holyfield a shot by inviting him in and allowing the smaller man to hit him.
     
  5. dinovelvet

    dinovelvet Antifanboi Full Member

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    Coetzer had a chin even Foreman could not crack. Both men had to change up the attack and go downstairs to get rid of him.

    Coetzer was already gone before he complained about a low blow.

    Bowe had dished out a one sided leathering. That was a great performance from Bowe. It wasn't defined by any low blow.
     
  6. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    Do you have any magical scorecards where Coetzer was ahead?
     
  7. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Frazier had 8 consecutive fights in or around the world class where he looked like just about the best exponent of pressure swarming i've ever seen.

    Bowe did not. I'd say he looked his best for three fights, including the first Holyfield fight, and one of those fights was against a journeyman. Whose name I can't even remember. Bowe's prime is basically just a blip. I'm not sure about calling him "best ever" based upon that number of rounds. Though he was absolutely exceptional in Holyfield I.
     
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  8. ticar

    ticar Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    not exactly, most of big heavyweights have problems with swarmers cause they don't know how to fight inside, so they clinch, and when you have a referee that doesn't tolerate clinching, you'r in trouble...
    uppercut is kryptonite for a shorter coming forward fighter
    that's way boxers like bowe,foreman and liston were successful against shorter coming forward fighters
     
  9. dinovelvet

    dinovelvet Antifanboi Full Member

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    Trying to keep it long against Holyfield is what got Douglas carried out of the ring on a stretcher.

    Throwing long shots is giving him the openings he looks for.
     
  10. Vanboxingfan

    Vanboxingfan Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    That's not the point. The point is they were legally obligated to fight after Bowe beat Holyfield and Lewis destroyed Ruddock and instead of a fight taking place a ceremonial dumping of the belt took place. If Bowe was so sure he could win, why didn't that fight happen. Look what it would have done for his legacy if he'd have won, he would have a prime Holyfield and a prime Lewis as wins and we'd be talking about him as an ATG, instead he's become an afterthought.
     
  11. dinovelvet

    dinovelvet Antifanboi Full Member

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    Im not taking anything from Frazier , but a lot of those world class guys were non heavyweights . Like Jimmy Ellis who was a Middle Weight when he went pro.
     
  12. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace

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    He's top ten for me.
     
  13. janitor

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    I don't see it to be honest.

    I look at him and I see a lot of high quality components, put together in a fairly illogical order.

    I also think that he left some questions unanswered.
     
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  14. McGrain

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    Ellis was a world class heavyweight.
     
  15. ticar

    ticar Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    who would you favor against prime bowe?