Riddick Bowe (1992) vs Joe Frazier (1971)

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  1. ChrisPontius

    ChrisPontius March 8th, 1971 Full Member

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    The Bowe from the first Holyfield fight against the Frazier from the first FOTC.

    This would be a great fight, how do you see it unfold?
     
  2. Luigi1985

    Luigi1985 Cane Corso Full Member

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    Because of Bowe´s lack of a good defense I would go with Frazier viá midround TKO, Bowe´s punching power was very good, but not that good that he could bomb Smokin´Joe easily out with some shots, I would say Frazier´s combinations and hooks would be just too much for Big Daddy...

    Frazier TKO 7 Bowe
     
  3. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo VIP Member Full Member

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    ALthough I have the utmost of respect for Frazier, I'm not sure that he had the right tools to beat a large boxer/puncher of Bowe's description and abilities.

    In 1991, Riddick Bowe blasted in only two rounds, a well trained and motivated Burt Cooper. Burt was coming off the best fights of his career, by beating Orlin Norris and slugging it out for 12 rounds against Mercer. He would later go on to to being a nightmare for moorer and Holyfield. Although Cooper was no Frazier, he was very similar in size, build, and even certain style characteristics. At 6'5" Bowe would have towered over Joe, and on an average night, outweiged him by 30 pounds or more. It wasn't as though Riddick couldn't move for a big man either. He actually had quite a bit of speed and agility that was rather underrated. What's more, he was never stopped in 44 pro fights. In 37 pro fights, Joe only faced one big puncher, and was demolished. Riddick isn't the puncher that Goerge was, but he had a lot more power than anyone else outside of George whom Frazier fought.

    Bowe by TKO between rounds 4 and 7.
     
  4. JIm Broughton

    JIm Broughton Active Member Full Member

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    I agree with mr. magoo. Just too damn big.
     
  5. Ted Stickles

    Ted Stickles Boxing Addict Full Member

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    :good
     
  6. Muchmoore

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    Frazier was incredibly great when he beat Ali. Bowe was great against Holyfield but Frazier would outwork Bowe and finish him within 15 or win by clear decision. Frazier was only dropped by two fighter his entire career, against arguably the hardest hitter ever, and against Bonavena who was a big puncher and early in Joes career. Bowe wouldn't be able to bomb him out.
     
  7. Russell

    Russell Loyal Member Full Member

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    Hurm.

    Bowe had a HELL of a chin, and like Ali he looked like his head was ready to come off his shoulders. But he took it, and he took them hard.

    A good shot was capable of putting Bowe down though. We saw Golotta get him right behind the ear, and boom.

    With all the hooking Frazier would do, I can without a doubt see him doing that, exactly like Evander and Golota did.

    Bowe has skill to go along with that durability though, and plenty of other abilities for a man his size.

    I don't know, hard to call.
     
  8. bigG

    bigG Well-Known Member Full Member

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    bowe by late rounds stoppage..too big, too powerful....and joe is made for that nifty upercut on the inside...i also take the bowe of that night to beat tyson.......but bowes peak was about 30 seconds long in the grand scheme of things, so he wont be remembered like these guys are....for me, bowe was THE heavyweight (burger) king...:lol:
     
  9. Russell

    Russell Loyal Member Full Member

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    Bowe wasn't exactly consistent in using that uppercut.
     
  10. redrooster

    redrooster Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I don't see Bowe losing to Joe Frazier. Magoo's right for all the reasons he mentioned.
     
  11. Cojimar 1945

    Cojimar 1945 Member Full Member

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    A Frazier fan could simply counter that Frazier would have been bigger and more powerful if he had been born in the 1960s rather than the 1940s given advances in nutrition and a general increase in people's size.
     
  12. Holmes' Jab

    Holmes' Jab Master Jabber Full Member

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    Frazier, by clear UD.
     
  13. Marciano Frazier

    Marciano Frazier Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I think this analogy is almost insulting. Buster Mathis was similar in size, build and certain style characteristics to Bowe, and Frazier practically decapitated him in 1968. Cooper didn't have Frazier's chin, Frazier's heart, Frazier's stamina, Frazier's skill, or pretty much anything on par with Frazier, aside, perhaps, from raw power.

    Bowe was never stopped in 44 fights compared with Frazier's 37, but we're talking about a bottle of hard liquor contrasted with a glass of sherry when discuss how much tougher and more consistently tough a schedule of opposition Frazier was up against in comparison with Bowe. Moreover, the fact that Bowe was never actually stopped is something of a fluke, as he was down and in serious trouble in the third Holyfield fight and both Golota fights(twice in the rematch, in fact), but Holyfield had hepatitis and Golota was a nutcase.
     
  14. fists of fury

    fists of fury Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    This is a tough fight to call. Does Eddie Futch work either man's corner?
     
  15. Cojimar 1945

    Cojimar 1945 Member Full Member

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    Using Cooper as an example does seem odd given that many heavyweights stopped Cooper. Bowe beating Cooper does not seem like a reason to pick him over the vastly more accomplished Frazier.