riddick bowe and what could of been

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  1. Robbi

    Robbi Marvelous Full Member

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    Holyfield-Bowe 1 was the greatest heavyweight I've ever seen. It had pretty much everything. Long range boxing, inside fighting, a fast pace and plenty of heavy power punches being thrown.

    I certainly find much more variety in this fight than Ali-Frazier III. The skill level was higher and it was just as brutal.
     
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    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WPejZhE6cq0[/ame]
     
  3. nostir a

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    i think the bowe from 1992 could beat a prime lewis but it would be tough, and had bowe of been consistant and diciplined, then we could of seen a even better riddick bowe after the holyfield fight.
     
  4. salty trunks

    salty trunks Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Regardless of what Emanuel Steward says, Bowe was more physical than Lewis but perhaps not as strong. Bowe could also fight better inside and at close range. He just had more overall tools on the inside especially the short hooks and he threw and awesome uppercut. Lewis had a good uppercut but it was telegraphed and not compact like Bowe's who could throw two in combination.
     
  5. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    Sure golata might have lost those bowe fights but bowe did not "win" them, he was beat up both times! More a case of golota losing.

    Bowe had huge size over holyfeild and Hide. Although I credit Bowe with coming back to win, Holyfeild in the last fight, the 3rd one, should have knocked out Bowe. I cannot understand or excuse the circumstances why evander did not finish the job but Bowe was lucky he was not not knocked out. The chances of not being finished off in Bowes position was milion to one shot.
     
  6. Rumsfeld

    Rumsfeld Moderator Staff Member

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    I disagree with this. He took a SAVAGE beating in that 2nd Golota fight, and he had his share of wars beyond the Holy trilogy.

    At the conclusion of Bowe-Golota II, I believe Larry Merchant said something to the effect that neither fighter would be the same after that one, and in it proved true.

    Review that fight again, if you haven't in awhile. I think the "perception" on that fight, with the craziness of the repeat ending, often makes people forget the sheer brutality of that match-up.
     
  7. nostir a

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  8. salty trunks

    salty trunks Well-Known Member Full Member

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    If you want to watch a world class fighter completely take apart a guy watch Bowe Holyfield 1 and Bowe Gonzalez. This was Riddick Bowe at his absolute best.
    Gonzalez might have turned out to be a bust as pro after Riddick Bowe, but Gonzalez had beaten Bowe worse in the amatuers than Lewis did and was undefeated coming in to their fight. The weeks leading up to the fight Gonzalez had done everything he could to get into Bowe's head mentally. Gonzalez was cocky and determined to win himself and took one of the most brutal beatings Ive ever seen in professional boxing. Gonzalez never recovered mentally from that fight and Bowe just flat out destroyed the guy.
    Regardless of what you think of Gonzalez, Bowe was great that night and rengerzied Futch to stay with him after Futch was set to leave. The problem was that Bowe lost his discipline again right after that fight. It seems Bowe needed to be motivated to fight and stay in shape, and when he was, he was one of the best heavyweights ever and when he wasnt he was horribly lazy and poor. I dont know that he wasted himself he was an accomplished champion who beat one of the best fighters at his respective peak, but I think a disciplined Bowe who was motivated to train and fight could have gone a lot further in the historical rankings.
     
  9. nostir a

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    i agree, do you think he could beat lewis?
     
  10. salty trunks

    salty trunks Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Bowe at his best was better than Lewis ever was at his, and its not close in my opinion.
    Never have I seen so much BS placed on an olympic win. Henry Tillman beat Mike Tyson twice, Jorge Gonzalez beat Bowe, etc. I think Bowe would have massacred Lewis had they fought right after Bowe beat Holyfield in the first fight.
     
  11. slash

    slash Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Jesus.. Bowe took a lot of lefts in that fight. Luckily for him, he was 25 yrs old and still "fresh". Old Holyfield rocked him as early as the first round (left hook), and Bowe barely even knew it. Big (young) dummy.

    But that big guy could put punches together better than anybody else (amongst super heavyweights).
     
  12. nostir a

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    i also agree, nice to find someone who thinks bowe was better lewis.
     
  13. nostir a

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    bowe wasnt hurt in the holyfield fight at all, although you could argue he was hurt in the 10th, but i think it was just fatigue, which he recovered from, from trying to knock him out.
     
  14. slash

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    He was definitely rocked on many occasions.. that's when you see him low-blowing and rabbit punching in defense. But he was 25 yrs old.. he recovered well, jumped back in, like you would expect from any top flight fighter in their youth. Holyfield was the one that was gassed by the second round (although Bowe was somewhat gassed from Holyfield pushing him around whenever Holyfield wanted a break from throwing punches). This was great age 205 lbs that was due for a pro loss vs great youth 235 lbs (if you think Bowe was great).
     
  15. nostir a

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    i respect your opinion, i think the fouling was simply because bowe was not of the cleanest of fighters and it was scrapy in some parts of the fight. i know what you mean by fouling in defence, and i think this was just inexperiance as almost always when holyfield landed a good punch/combo, bowe threw a right hand or uppercut straight away, or in some cases fouls, i think it was just a reaction for him being relitivley unexperianced - my opinion

    good post btw