Riddick Bowe v Joe Frazier

Also I am a bit confused as to your definition of what constitutes a heavyweight.

Todays cruiserweights are as big or bigger than Ali. Wouldn't that make Ali a cruiserweight by todays standards?

I mean if Ali is a heavyweights wouldn't that make Oleksandr Usyk a heavyweight as well given they are almost exactly the same size.

 

Maybe Seamus created this thread as a joke. I find it hard to believe he genuinely thinks success against Ali is guaranteed to result in success against a bigger, stronger, harder puncher.

Norton's success against Ali didn't translate vs Foreman or Shavers

 

I called him out on this in the foreman vs wladmir thread. He said you cant call an era weak (referring to Jackie's) just because a champion is dominant or reigns a long time. I asked why he always calls rocky's era weak and all he could come up with is that rocky was only chamoion a couple years while Wladmir was dominant for nearly a decade. He even said that wladmirs era was better than the 70's and people in that thread were claiming guyz like Samuel peter or even ross purrity would be a force to be reckoned with ans champions in prior eras (an obvious attempt to make Wladmir look better for struggling with them).

 

I don't feel Fraziers era is as strong as Bowe's era. You might not think highly of Golota but frankly if you put him in Frazier's era I could see him achieving a lot more than he did in his own era.

Tony Galento was a top contender in his own era that doesn't mean he would get anywhere today, nor would Don Cockell.

 

Also I don't see this seven year dominance you claim. About 3 years passed between Ali's suspension and the emergence of Foreman as a top contender. I think Foreman could have beaten Frazier easily in 1970 or 1971 had they fought then. There's nothing to suggest the outcome would be different in 1970/71 than in 1973.

 

The significance of the feat depends how you view the era I guess. You don't seem very impressed with Marciano's dominance so surely it shouldn't come as a surprise that someone who doesn't hold Frazier's era in high regard wouldn't assume he has the same success in another era.

I'm sure you don't see Jeffries or Marciano vs Lewis as a 50-50 fight despite their dominance.

 

For two years Frazier never defended against a ranked contender so its pretty hard to know where he stood vis a vis the top of the division.

 

My general theory is that athletes are getting better. Bowe would probably generally win against guys from earlier eras and lose to guys from later eras. I am pretty consistent in that regards.

 

Show me any recognized organization that ranked Ron Stander or Terry Daniels in their top 10. You can add Dave Zygliewiez too.

 

Correct me if im wrong, but I can't think of many instances where Riddick had much trouble with shorter fighters..
No disrespect to Frazier, but Bowe would tower over him, would have significant reach advantage, and would probably outweigh Frazier by 25 pounds...

I say Bowe KO 5 Frazier