Riddick Bowe v Joe Frazier

Also this talk of Ali being more accomplished than Bowe doesn't account for the Foreman fights. Foreman is far less accomplished than Ali and rates lower on all-time lists yet had no trouble whatsoever with Frazier in their first fight when Frazier was still prime.

 

Huh??? Are you for real? Or is there a lot of alcohol where you are tonight?

Oh well it is New Year’s Eve! Live it up bro

 

So if Bowe was as limited as you say how did he beat someone as excellent as Holyfield twice?

 

Those are harsh words for the man still holding the world speed record for making a ham sammich.

 

I think prime Frazier breaks Bowe down and stops him in 11.

 

You beat me to it.

Agreed with every word.

 

Bowe isn't Foreman though.

He neither hits as hard nor was as physically strong despite his size. Holyfield said old George was the strongest fighter he met. Not Riddick, not Lennox, not Hasim, not Nikolai. I'd wager young George had every bit as much brute strength as old George did too. Bowe doesn't hit hard enough to do to Joe what George did nor is he strong enough to shove Joe around like George did in my view.

Plus we have to wonder how Bowe would've handled Joe's power. He didn't fight any of Lewis, Tyson, Foreman, Bruno, Mercer, Moorer or McCall. Hell he didn't even have a fight with a Weaver, Bonecrusher or Alex Stewart type as he was a youngster developing. After seeing how badly Holyfield and then Golota (who were decent but hardly thunderous punchers) floored and hurt Bowe then you have to wonder if there was a reason why these fights with these big punchers didn't happen. Couple that with Bowes porous defense and you'd think that Joe could really do some damage to Riddick as well.

 

Frazier has a pretty porous defense himself. Also I don't think Frazier hit like Lewis, Tyson, etc. Holyfield was probably a bigger puncher than Frazier shot for shot.

 

No way was Holyfield a bigger puncher than Frazier.

The guy was a great fighter but he wasn't a big puncher. He went something like 5 years without scoring a legit stoppage. The knock on him during his runs as champ was his lack of finishing power. Since he stopped Tyson and scored the fluke knock down of Ray Mercer he's gained an undeserved reputation as an underrated puncher. He wasn't. He was a fair puncher who threw tremendously fast and accurate combinations and was aggressive.

Put it this way. If Joe Frazier was allowed to tee off on Bobby Czyz, Pinky Thomas and old George with dozens of unanswered punches like Evander did then they'd have been stretchered out of the ring, not still standing on their feet.

 

I'm starting to wonder if Frazier ever blocked a punch. Dear o' dear,

 

He blocked a lot with his face

 

Q .Who are Frazier's best actual ko victims? A. Doug Jones and Bob Foster.Two lhvy's.

 

Are you being pedantic about KO's and TKO's again?

Lennox Lewis only had 11 clean KO's in 32 stoppage wins vs Joe's 8 in 27 KO's. Joe had 35 fights vs Lennox 44.

Are you calling Lewis an attrition puncher as well?