Riddick Bowe v Primo Carnera?

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  1. Man_Machine

    Man_Machine Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    In that case then, I'll go with Bowe making a meal out of it but winning by a mid-to-late rounds TKO.
     
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  2. Ken Ashcroft

    Ken Ashcroft Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Certainly the first Holyfield fight was his standout performance and the one that everyone remembers but it's not as if he suddenly shot past his peak after that fight. He was still a formidable fighter but the increasing indiscipline and ballooning up in weight after that fight made it look like he wasn't the same fighter as before. Personally I think that he physically didn't show clear signs of deterioration until the Herbie Hide fight in 95 (not that he was overly active in the year or so leading up to that bout). Even though it looked like he won pretty conclusively in the end, he looked quite sluggish at times and was beaten to the punch quite a lot by Hide and this was while he looked in good shape. The next fight against Gonzalez, he looked good but really Gonzalez was one of the most inept challengers in memory. Then the third fight with Holyfield where Bowe KOs Holyfield but while this looks impressive on paper, it's also disguises the fact that Bowe was in danger of being Koed himself having been dropped heavily for the first time in his career and really Holyfield looked more exhausted than hurt at the end. Then of course was the Golota fights after which even Bowe at the young age of 28/29 realises he's past it.

    So if I had to say what Bowe prime years were I would said maybe 91-94.
     
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  3. Man_Machine

    Man_Machine Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I wouldn't disagree with any of that.

    But I always had the impression, both before and after the first Holyfield fight, that there was a general aura of sloth about Bowe. Even in Holyfield/Bowe 1, Holyfield's tailor-made, come-forward warrior style, played perfectly to Bowe's strengths and accentuated the latter's performance.

    But, he would beat Carnera. I just suspect he would drag it out.
     
  4. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    Hide was very fast ,being beaten to the punch by him is no disgrace.
    I'd pick Gonzalez to stop Carnera.

    How does Carnera do v Holyfield? Timber!
     
  5. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    Bowe blows him out.
     
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  6. reznick

    reznick In the 7.2% Full Member

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    U wot?

    Scorecard for Carnera Loughran:
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    10-1
    12-3
    Carnera
     
  7. Stevie G

    Stevie G Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    No way can I see Primo winning this. Bowe goes to work inside and chops Carnera down within eight rounds at most.
     
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  8. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    I'm not referring to the score card , I'm referring to Loughran never at any time being in danger of being dropped and to him referring to Carnera as glass chinned.
     
  9. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    I agree with the Ken Ashcroft assessment on Bowes career. His prime starts with the first Holyfield fight up till the first Golota fight with nothing else close to that first Holyfield win to prove any certain superiority over Carnera more than one time.

    During this short prime you could favour Bowe but in light of the Golota, Hide and Buster Mathis fights you can't rule anything out. We never saw Bowe do 15 rounds like Carnera did with Uzcudun and others.

    It's no mismatch.
     
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