Riddick Bowe

I think that's a valid question. While I tend to think that George Foreman during his comeback was probably a harder hitter than Riddick Bowe, I don't think the difference between the two was all that large.

Bowe had more speed and snap on his punches than George, and he was able to hit his opponents more cleanly than George did. So, it's kind of hard to say with any certainty who was the harder hitter; was it a lack of power on GEorge's part that he wasn't able to KO a lot of the fighter tha went the distance with him, or was it just a lack of speed and snap that prevented him from really landing cleanly and solidly?

But I agree that George had trouble knocking out fighters that weren't complete bums. He looked spectacular against C level opposition, but as soon as he stepped up his opposition to the C+ range or better, his KO's dropped off.

 

So you're using the fact that Holyfield was merely floored as an attempt to gain ground? Bert ****ing Cooper floored Holyfield before Bowe ever did. Does that mean that Cooper hit harder than Foreman too?

How did Riddick Bowe fare at trying to KO those guys, and how old was he when he tried to do it? He never fought them did he? So how can you draw a comparison?

No one is calling you a little boy, and frankly I think this is quite immature of you. I'm merely stating that you're implying having a greater wealth of knowledge on a topic over someone who is obviously more versed on the issue than you are....

 

What's also funny is that both Crawford Grimsley and Tommy Morrison were both knocked out in the first round in their very next fights after fighting and going the distance with Foreman!

Grimsley was starched by Jimmy Thunder in like 19 seconds or something like that, and Morrison was shellacked by Michael Bentt!

 

What is even more hilarious, is that Pierre Coetzer lost quicker to an old Foreman than he did to a prime Bowe. Jorge Luis Gonzalez was starched faster by a 38 year old Witherspoon, then he was by a prime Riddick. The same version of Andrew Golata who pounded the crap out of Bowe, got laid out in one round by Lennox Lewis.

See what we can come up with when we start talking about what common opponents did in other fights?

 

But has any fighter thrown a belt in the garbage as quickly and accurately or anywahere near as hard as Bowe did, when it came to avoiding a dangerous opponent.

If Bowe wants another belt he should look through the trash where he left the last one he had.


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Nah, there's enough plastic trinckets floating around these days to where a fighter doesn't even need to step in the ring to get awarded a belt. All he has to do is show up for a press conference and some organization who calls themselves the XYBKE will likely give him their title.

 

The conversation started off with us comparing the reason's for Foreman's success, and one of the elements that I listed was that he had greater power to rely on than Riddick Bowe does. If you disagree with this then fine. But keep in mind, the comparison was made to Bowe when he was at his absolute best. I have my doubts about him possesing any real power now, especially after his 2005 performance against Billy Zumbrun.

 

The comedy continues when we look at the fact that Bowe also lost to a younger Holyfield, and was dropped by a rather ill prepared one, who was arguably in worse shape in 1995, than he was in 1998.

 

Let us wrap this up with a good finaley by discussing Bowe's boxing lesson against Tony Tubbs, who soon after would get starched in a single round by Lionel Butler-a man who Lewis would later destroy with ease.:bbb

 

Good points! These analogies can get awfully complicated to say the least.

If I were a diehard Bowe supporter - which I'm not - I guess I could counter by saying that Pierre Coetzer was already damaged goods by the time he faced Foreman - having been brutally beaten by Riddick Bowe and Frank Bruno - and that Jorge Luis Gonzales was already damaged going into his fight with Witherspoon as a result of his brutal beating at the hands of Bowe. And Golota? Bowe was nowhere near the same fighter he was for the Golota fight that he was in the early 90's. And Lennox Lewis caught Golota cold, and he had the power to jump on Golota in a way that Bowe didn't......

But I wouldn't say those things. Only a diehard Bowe fan would come up with such stuff! :yep

 

We have a newly found diehard Bowe fan who in fact started this thread, and would willingly use such antics to prove his position.