Rigo just signed to fight nonito

I agree with you.

I like what you say here. If Sidorenko had UD'd Donaire wide in Donaire's debut at bantamweight, then I guess he doesn't deserve that much credit for it since it was his first fight there and he was unproven, if the opinions of those who don't value the Donaire/Narvaez win were consistent.

I rate Narvaez as his 4th or 5th best win, and rate it higher than many here on ESB. I think it's a very good one.

 

This guy keeps on using the lay-off excuses whenever Nishioka is being opened-up. I wonder how he rates Mayweather's win over Mosley.

Nishioka is very well a high rated win for Donaire but I personally rate Narvaez higher because of his very long championship run (though his level of competition is a little bit mediocre).

 

if nishi was a 20-yr old young hungry lion and gets beat by donaire, kid cuba would say: "oh he's still green. **** nonito."


if nishi was a 27-yr old prime fighter and gets beat by donaire, kid cuba would say: "oh he's prime but just padded his resume by beating japanese cans. **** nonito."

Nishi is a 36 yr-old fighter and got beat by donaire, kid cuba would say: " i would suck rigo's **** and slurp his ass all day everyday"

 

Rigo is rated # 1 @122 .. I m sorry..

 

You gotta give the guy props. Damn huge step up. Many people think Rigo's handlers are sick in the head.

 

The whole point of the comparison was because you made it sound like there was some deeper significance or meaning simply as a result of the names being similar, when that has nothing at all to do with whether or not a fighter is actually suitable at the weight. And as noted in the original post, your Segura comparison was even more inapt.

So to when exactly is the endpoint of giving guys theoretical credit? Should Pacquiao be given the benefit of the doubt to beat middleweights since he had already successfully moved up 8 divisions? Maybe we should go higher? I prefer to give credit to what I see in the ring, and what I saw that night was a guy who was scarcely a bantamweight anymore against a guy who never should have been on in the first place. Sorry if I don't find that particularly impressive.

Why can't one use one's eyes and judgment to discern whether a fighter belonged at a given weight?

 

Great news, but until we see Don~aire sign it's not a 100% done deal. Cubans showing " the balls " ...

Rigondeaux by TKO mid to late rounds ...

 

You have literally disposed the concept of weight class with that logic. The guy weighed 118 and made weight. Why would you hold it back against him.

 

No I have not. I'm speaking specifically about how to credit guys for wins against opponents moving up in weight; the mere fact that all such opponents "make" the weight does not make such wins equally impressive nor does it make success at a lower division the only relevant criterion for evaluating the quality of such a fight. Why should Narvaez be "given the benefit of the doubt to jump at bantamweight" when he was grossly undersized in his one fight there and promptly moved back down?

 

I see where you're coming from. But then again, it is every fighters right to try and win a title one weight class above. And Narvaez is nothing short of excellent at 118 and 112. The same weight class Donaire is from.

What the other guys mean is that, Donaire have also moved up from 112 beyond. Why not give him any credit?

Simply put, both of them haved just moved up.

 

To be fair some fighters have the frame and build to move up in weight and still be successful, we don't know if Narvaez could be successful at 118 lbs, but he was able to make 112 lbs into his 30s so he is a natural flyweight/super flyweight. Donaire is a naturally bigger guy or at least appeared to be the bigger of the two.

 

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Yeah I get that. And there's is validity to that argument.

But to completely deny Donaire credit for it seemed unfair.

Especially if down the road, Narvaez manages to win a title at 118.