Rigo vs Loma meeting at the middle at 126 would be the perfect way to end the year.

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  1. Mr Logic

    Mr Logic Member banned Full Member

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    I honestly Can't see it being competitive. Am I a fan of lomachenko? ****ing right I am! If you can't get excited about a talent like him you're watching the wrong sport.
    And no ****ing way with that weight difference is rigo going to have a chance.
    Feel free to remind me of this if I'm completely wrong ,which I hope I am.
     
  2. ellerbe

    ellerbe Loyal Member Full Member

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    What am I exaggerating exactly? Quote me please. As for the advantage, it will not be the same. That's like saying, Floyd fighting Marquez at 140 or Canelo fighting his opponents at 160 would be the same since most likely they would re-hydrate to the same weight. Re-hydrating takes a toll on the body, and there's definitely a big advantage for someone who has to re-hydrate less. I'm not saying I'm hoping for Loma to be drained, the fight would be pointless then. Also you have no clue what Loma will weight in on fight night again Rigo. Every pound would matter, and for all we know Loma weighs in at 140-142 for more of an advantage.

    Anyways the proof that there is a difference is right in front of you. Loma gets way more credit from everyone but his nutriders for beating Rigo at 126 compared to 130. It's just common sense. Loma prefers the advantage, and Rigo did say he'd fight him at 130, so he's taking the easier way out.

    I don't give him massive props at all. If he made it at 126 and wanted to show Rigo I could beat you down the middle then sure. I'm not criticizing him either since Rigo has been calling him out non-stop, but this is a fight he should win with ease.
     
  3. UnleashtheFURY

    UnleashtheFURY D'oh! Full Member

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    What did you think of Rigos tweet? Post #44
     
  4. ellerbe

    ellerbe Loyal Member Full Member

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    What was his tweet? I don't really follow twitter.
     
  5. UnleashtheFURY

    UnleashtheFURY D'oh! Full Member

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    Post #44 of this thread.
     
  6. ellerbe

    ellerbe Loyal Member Full Member

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    Respect to Rigo for not making any excuses, but I'm not a Rigo fan or Rigo himself. I'm just stating the reality.
     
  7. ellerbe

    ellerbe Loyal Member Full Member

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    I mean this is like Marquez saying I asked for 147 against Mayweather! I don't want to hear anything about weight advantage. Does that mean there is no weight advantage or any impact of Marquez moving up from lightweight to WW? Sure it's respectable that he'd have confidence, but it doesn't detract from the reality from the matter.
     
  8. Nonito Smoak

    Nonito Smoak Ioka>Lomo, sorry my dudes Full Member

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    Boxing Forum 24's "weight police" will be sure to bring it up in every possible thread, before and after the fight, and many will not even count the fight because of so. That is, if they are consistent.

    I'd rather Lomo fight the title holders in his division but if he wasn't going to fight any of them or a rematch with Salido, the Rigo fight has to be next up.

    Some people have got to be getting annoyed by Lomo, however, based on their opinions and expressed feelings of other fighters and situations. "Dragged" Walters and Marriaga up a division each. Dragged Rigo up two divisions. Will he rematch Salido when he's 40? If some folks held Lomo to the same standards they hold other fighters to, you'd be reading a whoooole lot of this in every thread about him. That said, you'll get some folks doing the opposite, but clearly the ratio is in favor of not criticizing Lomo.
     
  9. latineg

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    Do you promise you're not putting any secret voodoo curses on Loma praying that Rigo destroys him??
     
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  10. ellerbe

    ellerbe Loyal Member Full Member

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    Maybe :rolleyes:
     
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  11. qwertyblahblah

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    Well, it's hyperbolic to say if the fight was at 126 it would be "the perfect way to end the year", yet that "130 won't make me excited". You're not just saying it would make a difference, but implying it would make such a world of difference that it would turn a great, competitive match into a worthless mismatch.

    You're exaggerating the impact of an advantage Loma might have with the fight at 130 rather than 126. If a fighter dehydrates to make weight, regardless of how much, he'll rehydrate to his current, fit weight. Sure if he trained bigger or lighter his ring weight would be a bit more or less, but if he doesn't change his training but only how he made weight he'll rehydrate to the same. That's pretty evident from the broadcaster records we have over the last 20+ years. For Loma that's in the high 130s. He was 139 for Sosa, 137 for Walters, yet just as much at 138 for Russell after weighing 126. That he might weigh more is just speculation. Until he actually has weighed more than that we should go with the evidence that Loma's natural, fit weight is not more than 139.

    You're contradicting yourself if you say you don't want Loma to be drained yet he ought to go through the toll of dehydrating more significantly, to weaken himself. It's just stupid that we've accepted this logic that a bigger man's physical health has to be compromised to make a fight fairer. I'm not commenting to play a game about Loma, I'm commenting against the practice of catchweights. Cotto should never have fought Geale at a lower weight and the win doesn't mean much to me because he did, etc, etc. That one athlete isn't allowed to be 100% fit and fresh makes a mockery of competitive sport. If you want Loma-Rigo to be at 126 you want Loma to be at least somewhat 'drained' to give Rigo an advantage.

    Since the fight was announced Rigo's commented that Loma now has 'no excuses'. He's happy with it at 130. If Loma has to weigh in at 126 he'd have an excuse if he didn't win or perform well. Making it at 126 would compromise Loma and therefore take away from Rigo's performance. Why should Loma have a built-in excuse and deprive Rigo of the accomplishment if he wins?

    Look: I totally agree with anyone who says Loma shouldn't be dragging smaller opponents up to 130. His reign at 130 should be questioned as he's defended against more featherweights than super featherweights. Go ahead and say it's picking on a smaller man and the Rigo fight's bs. But the alternative to not fighting a smaller opponent at your division shouldn't be making a lower weight for him, it should be not fighting him and fighting someone your own size!

    And yes I agree Loma would get more credit if it was at 126. But only for the optics that meeting at the weight between the divisions they each compete in makes it 'seem fairer'. And because so many have been duped with the propagada that there ought to be catchweights for bouts between guys of different weights, and that it makes a significant difference. It doesn't. Loma will most likely be the same size in the ring if it were at 126. And even if he or Rigo weigh more or less than usual in the ring, Loma will have the same functional size and strength advantage. He'll be able to give it and take it better, and he'll be able to outmuscle Rigo.

    Sure, we can always assume the bigger guy doesn't want to give up an advantage if he doesn't agree to a catchweight against a smaller opponent. That's also impossible to disprove so to me just amounts to unfounded hate. We should appreciate and take into consideration however that Loma since he's turned pro has said several times that he believes in proper weight categories. When the subject of catchweights is brought up in interviews he looks confused and responds dismissively. He's said if and when he faces bigger opponents he wouldn't demand a catchweight, because he wants the honour of beating the opponent in top condition. Considering his stance, we might just as well say he's only thinking he wouldn't give a bigger opponent a disadvantage so Rigo shouldn't expect he be put at that disadvantage. As adamantly opposed to catchweights as I am, If Loma ever engages in a catchweight bout I will be the first to attack him here. And I will no longer be a big fan of his, just as demanding catchweights affected how I view Mayweather, Pacquiao, Cotto and others. I like Loma, but I have and will continue to be consistently against catchweights.

    Attack Loma all you want for size bullying, but please, catchweights suck in every way and have been horrible for boxing. Every boxing match should be at the weight limit of the division the bigger man competes in.
     
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  12. ellerbe

    ellerbe Loyal Member Full Member

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    Sorry. Too long. Not going to read.
     
  13. JohnnyDrama99

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    Honest dude....how can anyone not like this kid. Humble and talented. Most of the time those two qualities don't go together in this sport. He will be #1 in time. I have him behind Crawford at #3
     
  14. rhin0z>

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    donair boxer of the year came in heavy against rigo. bad judgement bad mistake. now if you bumping foreheads mexican style coming in heavy is probably a good idea if you going to be banging. It aint that kind of party fellas.

    I have not seen one rigo fight where rigo stood still for more than three seconds in the same place. This baby is going to be fluid and flowing, come fit to fight.
     
  15. elmaldito

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    126 is fair.
    loma 130
    rigo 122