Rigodeaux v.s Willie Pep

How you figure that when he didn't even have a post plane crash Pep's number?

They traded wins in the first two fights.

The third fight was stopped over a dislocated shoulder. Pep was dominating that fight 5 rounds to 1 before he was injured in a clinch.

The 4th fight with Pep was by all counts a disastrous street fight with Pep up on two score cards when he was stopped over a cut that worsened from rough housing as the fight featured more fouls and wrestling on the canvas than boxing.

Saddler only got one conclusive win via punches in 4 tries against a past prime Pep. I don't think he has his number, man.

 

ESPN is the source for the 500,000 against Amagasa. [url]http://www.espn.com/boxing/story/_/id/11968951/guillermo-rigondeaux-fight-hisashi-amagasa-japan-dec-31[/url]

I don't have the Dickens one off hand, I'm sure it is public record though with the local athletic commission.

I don't recall a number for the Lomachenko fight off hand, but I do know that Catch weight was nixed by Loma, Featherweight with rehydration clause was nixed by Loma, and Rigs fighting at featherweight with simply an adequate purse offer for a fight of that magnitude was nixed by Arum.

 

You should probably bow out. If shitty records aren't enough to prove to you that he fought cans and bums, I don't know what is. I don't know any quality fighters who are 25-42. Do you? Bums. There is no footage of bums, cans and such from back then. Bums usually don't get their fights filmed now.

 

Uh, he beat Chalky Wright for one. The lineal Featherweight Champion.

He made RING's top 100 punchers of all time. He's been inducted into the RING and International Boxing Hall of Fame.

Chalky was a monster....

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Yet you disrespect him as a bum because you don't like Pep, shameful.

 

Well, part of Saddler's MO was to rough house, maul and spoil in close. He had a wear of wearing down an opponent, and even in the that Pep won, still managed to finish strongly in the final few rounds. Given that he'd already put Pep down and wasn't that far out of sight (5-2 on both cards wouldn't have been at all impossible to overcome), it's certainly not of the question that Saddler could have overtaken Pep on the cards, or come back to force a late stoppage. As it stood, he convinced Pep to stay on his stool in the final two matches of their series.

So, here's what it come down to: Saddler had by the most definitive victory of the series in the first fight. Plus, he was able to successfully employ the tactics that worked for him in the other two fights he won. In the one fight that Pep won, he had to box a perfect contest- and even then took a bit of hiding in the closing rounds.

Saddler was a tall, rangy power punching featherweight- and he was mean as hell. That fighter is likely to give Pep (or anyone else) a lot of issues.

 

Watching video highlights of Will O' The Wisp like the one above never gets old: Pep's feints and footwork almost seem otherworldly. (Willie Pastrano, Pernell Whitaker, Nicolino Locche are other favourites of mine to watch.)

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Okay, so how much credit are you going to give Saddler for dislocating the shoulder of a smaller older man who suffered numerous career threatening injuries in a plane crash that hindered his mobility after dropping all but one round? Great he got the win and all.

And in the 4th fight, yeah, Pep got cut and maintained a point lead before it got worsened by rough housing in a fight the official lost control of and was himself mauled and tackled in.

In a first meeting where he failed to repeat the result in three tries.

Okay, I'm fine with that. Your initial claim however was that Saddler would always have his number, despite struggling with a diminished older Pep with a bad back and legs, I must disagree with that. But would Saddler always give him issues, of course.

 

Saddler also had an excellent beard. I don't believe he was ever stopped.

 

Pep. Will edge Rigo on output on the outside. Also, Rigondeaux often finds himself in awkward positions; Pep is the ultimate ring general and doesn't make these mistakes. Stylistically Saddler and Rigo are very different, and Saddler would've absolutely pasted Rigo.
Pep can actually fight on the inside, too. He would also disrupt Rigo's positioning that he's so dependent on establishing, by manipulating Rigo's position with his manhandling tactics. Foreman and Pep do this so well.
Pep came from an era where PED's were not even regulated and there were brilliant raw PED's that had long been known by that time to enhance performance.

 

Willie's completeness as a fighter will see him through guys like Rigondeaux. Too well rounded and will force Rigo to fight his fight.

 

Umm, no, you seem to have been listening to the trolls. I stated to turd, I mean Todd "You asked me for a detailed breakdown, and I'm asking you for the archived footage of multiple fights from each of those 60 bums he fought in his first 62 fights" I never called Chalky a bum. I even left a couple slots open. Wright was the NYSAC champ. Wright had 32 losses when he fought Pep the first time. Wright was also known to party, smoke, drink, and be out with the ladies, till 3 in the morning in the days before his fights, even up to the night before. I don't have anything against Pep. Not everybody in this forum has evil and twisted feeble minds like some of the racist idiot trolls in here. I just asked a Pep supporter to explain how guys with records of 12-23, and 22-35 aren't bums. When I asked him to point out why guys with records like 12-25, or 30-50 shouldn't be considered bums, he avoided the question. I invite anyone to look at Pep's first 62 and tell me 95% of it isn't bums cans, cab drivers, stiffs etc. It's no disrespect to Pep. It's just what is record is through 62 fights.

 

I doubt it. Pep never faced a Cuban boxing technician. Slick defense, paired with great footwork, hand speed, one punch power. That's not a knock on Pep. Floyd Mayweather has never fought anyone like Rigondeaux either.

 

Saddler was said by boxing historians to have one of the all time great chins. That's impressive stuff considering those gloves back then would likely be considered two levels above the heavily padded gloves of today in terms of being punchers gloves.