Rigondeaux is way better than what you people think!!!

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Gamboa Express, Nov 16, 2010.


  1. Exactabox

    Exactabox Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I watched Rigondeaux with an open mind and he needs 10 more fights to adjust his stlye to a pro style. It was a very bad fight. At the end of the day boxing is a business and you have to appeal to the fans and the audience. Great that he is one of the best amateurs ever but that was then and this is now.
     
  2. Kid Cubano

    Kid Cubano Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    My point of view:
    I said before the fight that Rigo needed not only win, but win in a good fashion.He won,clearly won.The judge who saw Cordoba win was in drugs.But he didnt win in a a good fashion.Why did this happen?-first: Cordoba was maybe the worst opponent they could have found against Rigo at this point- a tall lefty and very experienced fighter.In only his 7 pro fight- that was a huge step.But if Rigo wanted a title,Cordoba was the one to fight.And he needed this title because he is already 30 and now he can fight all the big names.It just Cordoba wasnt the ideal one to fight at this point.
    I dont see nobody beating him at 122, but he cant just win on the style of running so much because he wont get all the money he deserves and it will be hard to find a TV buying his fights.Not even tele miami will do it.
    He needs a new approach,he can move and be defensive while throwing more punches- he does have a freaking body shot! but he doesnt work enough with his combos up stairs.
    He wont find somebody as good and tall as cordoba at 122 because caballero is already at 126-130.
    I still believe in Rigo,i was expecting more but we must understand it was his 7 fight against one of the best at 122.His talent is there, if u dont want to see it,its ur ****ing problem.
     
  3. Stevenson#1

    Stevenson#1 Boxing Addict Full Member

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  4. BigBone

    BigBone Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Overrated? He's not even rated - or known. Sure you used the right term?
     
  5. Stevenson#1

    Stevenson#1 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Good Analisis.Exelent.
     
  6. igor_otsky

    igor_otsky Undefeated Full Member

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    Rigo has the skills, but running from his opponent is ****! what is this, the amateurs? In the ams, If you know that youre ahead of points, you can have your bicycle at the rest of the round. But this is the pros, rigo! I love Rigo's skills, he has the skills to outpoint his opponent and even ktfo him.
     
  7. Gamboa Express

    Gamboa Express Jeremiah 33:3 Full Member

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    I know that you have watched many Cuban amateurs like you said that you liked many of the Cuban amateurs. Then you also must know that's a Cuban strategy that they use when they are leading and that's not " being scared ". I believe that every person that decides to become a boxer and a pair of gloves is not " scared " of anyone. In the first 6 rounds he displayed real boxing skills and also selected agression but then switched his strategy to throw off Cordoba and make him miss all the time. Now, Rigo needs to understand that in the pros that could backfire, as many judges see that as " not wanting to fight " and they may very well decide to give it to the other guy. It happened to Casamayor vs Freitas ( during the first half of the fight ) and Joel ended up with the loss and also against Castillo and Joel lost in the judges eyes for not being agressive enough even though Castillo hardly touched him.

    I am not against Rigo doing that but he needs to save that for when he really needs it or for the last 2 rounds maybe. He is adapting to the pros and I don't know of any boxer that has totally adapted in 6 pro fights, NO ONE! Heck, it takes at least 15-20 pro fights for a fighter to really understand what really works for him and what doesn't. And having 300+ amateurs bouts will not totally do it, it may help a lot but he still needs to develop his own style in the pros. On top of that, add the many trainers that he has had in the pros that I am very sure each one of them has tried to teach him something new or give him advice on how to fight as a pro.

    Mi amigo, I have never seen you say anything " positive " about a Cuban fighter and the funny thing is that you say that you liked many of the Cuban Olimpians but for some strange reason you are always against the Cuban pros, I wonder why? :huh
     
  8. Stevenson#1

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    It's just envy, pure, undiluted, kept inside for many years , only now because of the cubans exitos in the pro game it' starting to come out . The Cubans are the Kings of amateur boxing , everybody knows that, but the question evarybody wanted to know was : How will they do in the amateurs ? I live in London and my wife is puertorican , so I have been to Purto Rico 5 times ( Bayamon ) and I had the same discutions with her brothers , they never recognize the Cubans , even when they win, now they are seeing than in less than 3 years we have 2 champions and they can't accept that. Always is something ( Oh, they are fighting tomato cans , or they are still amateurs , etc )Im tired of explain them about Cuban Boxing history , Kid Chocolate , Gavilan etc , How deep Boxing is ingrained in the Cuban Population , How before 1959 ( When Lucifer took posetion of our beautiful island ) the 95 % of the Latin boxers of quality were Cuban , How 2 of the best boxers of all time ( Sugar Ray Robinson and Mohamed Ali ) learned their trade from cubans , How Sugar Ray admired Chocolate and how he tried to based his style on Chocolate's ( he used to be a dancer like Chocolate, etc . Ali's first trainer ( Amateur ) was a Cuban , I forgot his name , and he took him all the way to Olympic Gold , etc
    I also tried to explain to them that the Cuban "amateur" style is in reality a semi-profesional style , if you watch any Cuban boxing at the Olympics try to picture them without a vest and Headgear and you will see what I'm talking about, it' based on movement ( Ring knowledge ) , speed and accuracy when you punch and this style didn't oryginated after 1959 but was. already visible in the 50's, Chocolate was the first to bring it to the international arena in the 30's and it was a sucsess , everybody took notice ( watch Chocolate v Canzoneri ) and many tried to copy it withaout sucsess because it's a style based on BALANCE ( that's why it helps if you are a dancer ) . Only Sugar Ray with Chocolates advise and help did it and years later Ali took it to a new level. But no matter how you explain this things to them they never learn so don't worry too much about it ( No hay peor ciego que aquel que no quiere ver ) Only time will let them see the truth. Peace.
     
  9. StreetsofRAGE

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    He made a major step up in class and in his very first 12 round fight won fairly easily against a guy with a hell of a lot more pro experience than him. Cordoba is a good fighter, Rigo couldn't just wipe the floor with him. He did what he had to do and got the win. I was impressed and I look forward to seeing him again.
     
  10. Ricky369

    Ricky369 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    At 30 years old and looking like he did his last time out, his days are counted. He wont get any better.
     
  11. Seckah

    Seckah Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Good points guys!! I am just worry at this stage (30 yrs old) it may be too late for him to get to the level you guys think he will. He still needs to clean up 122 and he wants to move up to 126 where their are 4 guys that IMO would beat him and I can not see him at 130 hurting anybody.
     
  12. KO KIDD

    KO KIDD Loyal Member Full Member

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    reminded me of the amatuer point scoring style he fenced with his punches and played keep away real easy to win safely and untouched but for a fan its horrible. Almost like the David Haye style
     
  13. Ricky369

    Ricky369 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Get a grip! I am Puerto Rican. I love watching Gamboa and many other cuban fighters. Rigondeaux has an amazing boxing technique, no doubt. But just like Ivan Calderon, IT DOESN'T SELL!! He is 30 and has hundreds and hundreds of fights. Thousands of rounds of sparring. He will not change. Its nice to see the sweet science, but he will never sell big. BELTS? Who the hell cares? You can't pay the bills with belts. Gamboa is not as good of a boxer as Guillermo, but a lot more exciting and will end up making a lot more money. That is just a fact.
    Amateur?? Keep a nation hungry, have the sports as the only way to feed your family and a way to escape the regime. Ban the boxers from becoming pro. And of course they will dominate other amateurs from other nations. Its a product of the dictatorship. But again, you can feed the people medals.
     
  14. Jetmax

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    I thought he was doing well the first half of the fight . If we follow your chain of reasoning then I don't see why he needed to change a strategy which is already working. Imo, his amateurish mentality kicked in. He knows he's ahead and decided to cruise for the win. That's alright in the amateurs, not pro.
     
  15. leo_messi

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    I thought it was funny how most of the cuban posters said he would have Cordoba outta there in less than 6, despite the fact that none of them had probably ever seen cordoba fight before...

    My prediction was spot on , relatively tough nights fight but with rigo eventually winning after a full 12 rounds..