Rigondeaux vs Lomachenko

I see, ad hominems. Well, enjoy the rest of the thread then.

 

Post #99

"In the 2000s: RING magazine, BOXING magazine, Bleacher Report, Sports Illustrated, The Sweet Science, Intelligent Boxing all have him as #1 LHW. ESPN AP Fighters of the Century rated him at #3 behind Conn and Moore.

You will find most All Time P4P lists have him inside the top 30 at the lowest. In 2009, Sports Illustrated rated him as #6 P4P."

Here was your claim:

"The general consensus is rather, the top 3 of Light-Heavyweight are Moore, Spinks and Jones (in which order however)"

Again, I ask what general consensus are you referring to? I just laid down a sizable list of relevant names, can you? It wasn't hard to do.

These "nerds" are the educated fan, and only ones likely to do historical listings like you are describing.

Your argument is baseless speculation on a theoretical undefined grouping of fans you can't produce a source for. In other words, absolute nonsense.

You can type this a 1000 times and it won't change what I actually wrote.

Like I said, when I wrote that out I wasn't thinking of 2 matches as a "series" but you had 0-2 Maricano, you have to add 2-0 Burley which doesn't really make much of a difference. The overall point was that Charles has one of the most outstanding records of all time against historically elite recognized competition.

I would like to think a healthy 29 year old athlete would not decline in a 5 month period to the point it would drastically alter his performance to the point his opponent deserves significantly less credit.

And Laing.

He had one defeat at Welterweight...not defeats.

1941-05-22 1941-11-14 [url]Gus Lesnevich[/url] NBA/NYSAC
1942-06-20 1946-05-14 [url]Freddie Mills[/url] EBU
1946-05-14 1948-07-26 [url]Gus Lesnevich[/url] World
1948-07-26 1950-01-24 [url]Freddie Mills[/url] World
1950-01-24 1952-12-17 [url]Joey Maxim[/url] World

I'm going to have to refer you to post #145

"Gus and Tami were the leading LHW contenders in summer of 41.

Charles was an unrated MW with 17 fights under his belt at this time, and you ask that...."

"Black Murderer's Row" was a real thing.

 

You will find post#99 is my first mention of ESPN and it states what it states:

"ESPN AP Fighters of the Century rated him at #3 behind Conn and Moore."

That isn't the argument. The argument was your refusal to rate Charles as a top 3 LHW or top 100 P4P at all.

I will also warn you if you are going to suddenly recognize ESPN as an authority they rated Charles as #27 All Time P4P.

Baseless speculation.

I know Bert Sugar rated Charles as the #7 HW and #24 all time P4P. So you aren't going to have much luck building your case with him as a reference.

Baseless speculation. It seems your whole argument hinges on...it might be possible to find a fan on a message board who doesn't know who Charles is.

I have produced enough references to make that very case. You have produced nothing.

Baseless speculation and frankly quite insulting and borderline racist, assuming the ethnicity of all boxing fans that rate Charles. You might want to tread carefully if you are going to continue to slur ethnic groups. Given you are in denial of discrimination against African Americans as well, you are looking like a fool.

Burley is a Hall of Fame fighter, genuinely regarded by historians as an all time top 100 at the very least.

And he performed better against Marciano than any other title opponent.

Baseless speculation you could apply to any loss to discredit. "How do we know Palominio didn't hear a sad song on the radio before fighting Benitez that broke his spirit?" Bunch of nonsense.

Congratulations, you are the biggest idiot on the board. Not an easy title to win, you earned it. You were just shown a list that shows the lineage of the sanctioned bodies. Gus vs Mills I crowned a World Champion in the eyes of all three major bodies. And Mills won the rematch.


1941-05-22 1941-11-14 [url]Gus Lesnevich[/url] NBA/NYSAC
1942-06-20 1946-05-14 [url]Freddie Mills[/url] EBU
1946-05-14 1948-07-26 [url]Gus Lesnevich[/url] World
1948-07-26 1950-01-24 [url]Freddie Mills[/url] World
1950-01-24 1952-12-17 [url]Joey Maxim[/url] World

I'm ****ing done. This is like saying, "I don't believe the Christmas Carol is a real book." Then when handed a copy of the book. "So it isn't a real book." I've been very patient in dealing with your returdation but this demonstration proved you are absolutely hopeless and should possibly be euthanized as I'm sure you are a huge burden to your family and state.

 

There you have it...

The level of willful ignorance you must embrace to not rate Ezzard Charles.

"Mills wasn't recognized"
*Looks at list that shows Mills was recognized*
"Uh..I guess he wasn't recognized."

 

I did my part in not promoting garbage matchmaking and in general poor boxing ethics by not watch it.

Still haven't, and I never intend to.

 

Charles is a lock for p4p top 10 and while I might have Tunney above him at light heavy I wouldn't have anyone else. This Ratsa guy is a complete fruitcake.

 

Strawman.

Strawman.

"Appeal to Probability" Fallacy.

Strawman and "Appeal to Probability" Fallacy.

Strawman.

Charles vs Moore 3 was scheduled for 15 rounds.

World=NYSAC, NBA, and EBU. Mills was undisputed, you moron. How the **** are you going to come to this board, talk like you know something, and not even know who the undisputed Champions were?

And if you don't recognize Mills and Maxim as the undisputed Champion, then you don't recognize Moore, which crumbles your entire point about rating Moore because won the title.

1948-07-26 1950-01-24 [url]Freddie Mills[/url] World
1950-01-24 1952-12-17 [url]Joey Maxim[/url] World
1952-12-17 1960-10- [url]Archie Moore[/url] World
Moore was stripped of the NBA title for inactivity but retained the NYSAC and EBU versions.
1960-10-?? 1962-02-09 [url]Archie Moore[/url] NYSAC/EBU

Jesus Christ, you are a ****ing idiot that should have been aborted. You are the stupidest waste of sperm that ever existed on this board, which is really saying something. I can't fathom your stupidity, we all have opinions, but you can't even grasp basic facts to form one. I've seen toddlers who still poop themselves and can only say "Da, Da" and "Gobblewabblegoo" show more brain power than you.

 

No. Only second Durelle fight. EBU did not sanction for whatever reason. So boxrec lists it as an NBA/NY World Title Fight.

The World Title in the late 40s and 50s is NBA/NYSAC/EBU undisputed recognized. That is a fact.

Gus vs Mills & Charles vs Savold created the undisputed "World Champion" distinction. That is a fact.

EBU recognized a World Champion. That is a fact.

Why do you think Marciano is also referred to as the World Champion, and his bouts as World Title Fights? You are a helpless idiot if you don't believe Marciano was ever recognized as an official Champion or there wasn't a sanctioned Light Heavyweight Title until Moore/Durelle 2.

WORLD=NBA/NYSAC/EBU. FACT.

Maxim=Champion Moore=Challenger. Jesus Christ, you should be aborted now, as an adult. How can someone not grasp something so simple, are you willing to be this stupid so you don't have to credit the great Ezzard Charles?

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Lomachenko completely dominated Rigondeaux from the opening bell until Rigo quit on his stool like so many of Lomachenko's other previously undefeated foes. He is the best P4P Boxer in the world at the present time.