[RING, Aug. 1945] Jack Johnson picks Jeffries, Fitz, and Langford to ko Louis

The jab is as old as the port of boxing!

 

Did he?The only one I know he picked was Schmeling and he got that one right! Who else did he pick to beat Joe?

Johnson picked Louis to stop Carnera.
Jack Hurley picked just about everyone to beat Louis including Carnera and M Baer.

 

It might just be a case of a broken clock being right twice a day.

If he picked everybody to beat Louis, then he was bound to pick the man who eventually did, but the salient point is all the times that he got it spectacularly wrong.

 

Please can you name all these Johnson picked to beat Louis?

 

Not off the top of my head, but I don't think that he picked Louis over anybody who had held the title, after it became apparent that they would never work together.

 

I know he picked Louis over Baer and Carnera! Can you find your source?

 

Thanks a gain mr. K ...interesting articles !!!!!
i imagine Johnson taking of long distance bouts
15 rounds louis and Dempsey murders all save Johnson imo

 

There's manuels from the 1800's that say you should constantly move to the side and the jab is the most common punch.

I think some of the earlier boxing (such as 1700's) was more offensively focused however and there doesn't seem much jabbing and moving.

 

What would you like to bet, Mr. Welcher? I know its out there on video and quoted Dempsey's own words.

Your track record for calling me is out not a good one!

Better yet, once I prove it to you, how will you change?

 

I have seen Johnson's put downs of Louis quite often in the past.

For me, the most interesting feature is his high rating of Hank Griffin. It makes sense, as Johnson struggled with Griffin. Although he claims he got the better of Griffin in several fights he mentions, there seems to be no record of any of that. Griffin beat Johnson once, and drew with him twice, according to box rec.

There is no record of the 65 round KO. I am skeptical. It seems to me very odd that Johnson didn't mention the 65 round fight in 1909, but did in 1945. Griffin was still alive in 1909 and could have come forward to contradict him. By 1945 Griffin was long dead. I also wonder if the "referee" mentioned was still alive.

Johnson is not alone in focusing on Griffin. Tad Dorgan wrote this in the lead up to the Jeffries fight in 1910.

"You know Johnson hasn't shown a lot of class in his fights. He had little fellows to fight, such as Burns and Ketchel. What about a big fellow with a punch? Hank Griffin hit Johnson on the chops in the second round of their fifteen round fight and Johnson did nothing but play safe after that."

I think it is a pertinent point made on this thread that a defensive style such as that of Johnson, or of Tunney, works a lot better if you are the taller and rangier fighter. If the other guy has the reach to get to you with jabs or rights over a jab it creates a different dynamic.

 

I'm a welcher?We had a bet Fitz v Ruhlin fight was filmed.
I said it wasn't you said it was. I proved it wasn't with quotes from;Gilbert Odd, Adam Pollack,Ted Spoon,you said Ted Spoon had said the fight was filmed,I e mailed him and he denied ever saying such a thing and said he was surprised you would say it. , and Klompton also confirmed it was not filmed.

Here is an extract from Odd's Fitzsimmons biography referring to this fight.
"It had been intended to take a cinematograph version of the fight but because of a technical breakdown nothing materialized.It was therefore proposed that the two men should go through the motions so that a fake film could be made"pages 180 &181.
I also proved that because it wasn't filmed a re-enactment took place some weeks later.
Odd deals thoroughly with it in his book on Fitzsimmons,,he talks about Ruhlin being so badly marked up they had to apply stage greasepaint make up to cover his bruises and lacerations.
Odd also goes into detail about the fact that Jim Corbett was Ruhlin's second and the fact that after fight ,which was held in the orginal MadisonSquare Garden NY Corbett travelled home to
San Francisco and refused to travel back for the re-enacted film.
The fake film was made by E Lubin a well known film re-enactor and con man , and passed off as the real thing until a spectator noticed that Corbett whio had been a very vocal presence in Ruhlin's corner was not in the film.
The crowd then shouted fake and demanded their money back.
All this in is Odd's ,"The Fighting Blacksmith."
You reneged on the bet and refused to pay up.
Now you have the bare-faced gall to call me a welcher!
Q WAS THE ACTUAL FIGHT FILMED? A.NO!!!!!
And people wonder why I despise you?
You are a miserable excuse for a human being ,a liar, a bet welcher, a bigoted racist, and a physical coward.
It has been my very great pleasure to expose you on many occasions and I look forward to continuing to do so.