Ring champs 1970 v Current

Heavyweight....................Joe Frazier v Wlad Klitschko
Light-heavyweight.............Bob Foster v Joe Calzaghe
Middleweight.....................Carlos Monzon v Kelly Pavlik
Light-welterweight.............Nico Loche v Ricky Hatton
Lightweight......................Ken Buchanan v Joel Casamayor

These are the fighters i know enough about to judge the fights and i simply can´t see any of today´s fighters winning. When Wlad goes out from the beginning and tries to blow out the slow starting Frazier, he has a chance but it is slim. All the other i don´t give any.

 

Just out of curiosity, why 1970-favorite year for boxing?

 

Great idea for a thread McGrain, great avatar pic too.

I'd go with: Klitschko on points (I despise Wlad as a fighter, but IMO Frazier is one of the most overrated boxers in history and I think Wlad could safety-first jab, move, and outbox the smaller man), Foster by KO (Calzaghe has never fought anyone with anywhere near the quality of Foster), Monzon by stoppage, Margarito, Loche, Buchanan, Pacquiao, and south of that I don't know enough about the 70s boxers to comment.

 

Monzon vs Pavlik would be a good fight for 6 rounds!

 

Just out of interest, when do you think boxing evolved into what it is now? I'd probably say the 1930's, with fighters like Joe Louis being particular pioneers of the modern style.

Anyway, to answer the thread...


Heavyweight....................Joe Frazier v Wlad Klitschko
I do think this is an interesting fight. Klitschko controls his fights and range and doesn't let his opponent work on the inside. For a guy as short as Frazier, it's going to be so hard for him to effectively work, when he's getting jabbed to **** on the outside and clinched on the inside. I think he'd get dominated for a few rounds, taking serious punishment. However, as the fight wears on, he'd be landing occasional body shots which would slow Klitschko down. I think Klitschko's stamina is possibly his biggest weakness, besides his mentality. As Frazier lands to the body, he'd start slowing down and that's when Frazier would go the head and finish him.

Frazier KO 10.



Light-heavyweight.............Bob Foster v Joe Calzaghe
Foster is a much superior fight. He'd outjab Calzaghe, keeps his distance and stop him in in the middle round. Dominant performance that isn't worth talking about.

Foster KO 6



Middleweight.....................Carlos Monzon v Kelly Pavlik
Very interesting fight. Monzon would have some problems as Pavlik as the size and style avantage in this fight. I don't think Monzon has the power to really hurt Pavlik, barring a perfect punch like Taylor landed. I think this one is much closer than people think, and by the end of his career I may end up picking Pavlik, as, like I said, he has the styles advantage. However, he hasn't proven his class yet, so it's hard to pick him outright.

Monzon UD12



Welterweight....................Billy Backus v Antonio Margarito
From what I've seen, Backus was not a great fight and probably got lucky to beat Napoles. However, I haven't seen enough of him to really analyse this fight. If anyone would like to school me on him, I'd really appreciate it.

Margarito KO12.



Light-welterweight.............Nico Loche v Ricky Hatton
I've always maintained that even though Ricky Hatton is not an top 10 light welter, head to head, he does beat some of the top 10. Locche is one of those 10. Locche is too stationary to beat Hatton and his body is too open. Against a head hunter, Locche is perfectly suited, but a body puncher? No. Guys like Hatton, Chavez and Cotto would tear his body up. IN between rounds, I can't imagine Locche would want a cigarette against Hatton

Hatton UD12.



Lightweight......................Ken Buchanan v Joel Casamayor
if it was prime vs. prime, this could actually be an interesting fight. I'd pick Buchanan regardless, but Casa in his prime was a really good fighter. Buchanan wins this one though. A much better fighter, end of.

Buchanan UD12



Junior Lighweight...............Hiroshi Kobayashi v Manny Pacquiao
I've only seen Kobayashi vs. Duran, I think. Can't remembe now. Anyway, because of my lack of knowledge, I can't make a fair pick on this one. Look at their records, I imagine Pacquiao would win this one. Possibly by a late stoppage.

Pacquiao KO11.




I don't know enough about the other fighters, sadly. Even the modern ones, so I won't comment on those. This is a good thread though, and it deserves some replies :good

 

I'll skip the small guy's..

 

Wise man :good

 

I am only going to pick the ones that I have knowledge of


Heavyweight....................Joe Frazier TKO10
Light-heavyweight.............Bob Foster KO8
Middleweight.....................Carlos Monzon KO8
Welterweight.................... Antonio Margarito TKO11
Light-welterweight.............Nico Loche UD
Lightweight......................Ken Buchanan UD

 

Good thread McGrain, lets see, my picks

Heavyweight....................Joe Frazier v Wlad Klitschko - this is the easiest pick for me, not to discredit Wladimir at all, but Frazier by stoppage and i defo.

Light-heavyweight.............Bob Foster v Joe Calzaghe, as great as Calzage is, and imo he is, he comes to fight, and Foster hits so hard, and was prolific at 175, Foster imo.

Middleweight.....................Carlos Monzon v Kelly Pavlik, it can only be justified to pick Monzon

Welterweight....................Billy Backus v Antonio Margarito, dont know too much about Backus in honesty, but i know a bit, this will be my first choice where i will pick a modern-day guy, on his best night though.

Light-welterweight.............Nico Loche v Ricky Hatton, Locche all-day.

Lightweight......................Ken Buchanan v Joel Casamayor, what a classy one this would be, this is pure teasing here McGrain!!!, i'll pick Buchanan on the strength of extra class imo.

Junior Lighweight...............Hiroshi Kobayashi v Manny Pacquiao, its a good one, but Pacquiao for me.

Featherweight...................Kuniaki Shibata v Chris John, Shibata.

Bantamweight...................Chucho Castillo v Hozumi Hasewaga, Castillo

Flyweight.........................Erbito Slavarria v Nonito Doniare, Donaire.

 

Good post McGrain.

Many people forget that in 1970 you had far less weight divisions and far fewer organisations (there was really only WBA & WBC). For this reason the 1970's guys really were the best-in-the-world!

I'll take a crack at few:

Heavyweight....................Joe Frazier v Wlad Klitschko
If Joe could reach him, he'd wop him. Human's are getting much bigger each generation and that's obviously an issue at HW.

Light-heavyweight.............Bob Foster v Joe Calzaghe
Gotta be Calzaghe.

Middleweight.....................Carlos Monzon v Kelly Pavlik
Probably Monzon. He was something very special.

Light-welterweight.............Nico Loche v Ricky Hatton
Loche for me.

Lightweight......................Ken Buchanan v Joel Casamayor
It gets harder as you go down the divisions! Probably Buchanan.

 

Alright, so I'm guessing we're adjusting for inflation here because Wlad is simply too big for Frazier. I know everyone on here loves to nut hug older fighters but Wlad would handle Frazier like a rag doll.

 

Wlad TKO's Frazier- this is a bad style matchup for Joe because Wlad has enough reach to outjab him, can counter right over the top of Frazier's best weapon (the left hook), and has shown he's none too shy about tying up to negate the opponents attack on the inside once Joe does get there.

Foster wins by UD or late TKO- Foster's too big, has a great right hand with speed and power, and would be facing a Calzaghe near the end of his rope. Joe would land, but won't hit hard enough to alter Foster's gameplan.

Monzon beats Pavlik, but this would be a great, brutal fight. Comparing the Monzon of 1970 vs today's Pavlik, Pavlik's actually faced the tougher competition with the exception of Benvenuti. Would be one of the few times Carlos went in as the smaller man, as well.

Margarito beats Backus. I think Margo's just the better fighter, although I have to give Backus full credit for pulling lightning out of a bottle against Napoles in their first fight.

I rate Locche higher, but think Hatton could win because Locche didn't have much power to keep Hatton off and Ricky knows to work the body, which would negate Nicolino's greatest strength. It's hard to tell what Hattons got left though, and Locche literally shut out Cervantes around that time period. Toss-up for me.

 

Frazier KO
Foster UD
Monzon TKO
Don't know enough about Backus to make a fair prediction.
Loche UD