Ring IQ relating to general intelligence?

Yes....for instance

Floyd is very smart in the ring. He already know that his health would be at risk if he was to face PAC. Who would know that. Floyd even know that he could get cripple if he does face PAC. Bradley was a little to stupid.

 

I agree with the poster(s) that said intelligence is hard to define and is relative.
I do believe a certain amount of intelligence is required to be a good fighter.
So, the examples mentioned "Mayweather" and "Hopkins" etc.. being dumb as ****, probably doesn't prove much.
They could be genuinely intelligent people who did not have opportunities to apply it growing up, or perhaps they have ADD/ADHD which distracts them from reaching their true potential, or perhaps they were so athletically gifted that they never sought the need to cultivate acamedic achievments. The list goes on an on.

My point is, you can have a high IQ and not know a damn thing outside of boxing, because you focused all your effort on one thing. But I think we all agree, that a certain type of strategic intelligence is crucial in boxing.

{edit} lol....I think i just paraphrased Brickhaus' post. My bad.....I should have just said "i agree".

 

There's a difference between being knowledgeable and being intelligent. A guy like Hopkins might not know that Australia isn't in Europe or some ****, but that's a product of a relative lack of education in that specific area, not lack of intelligence. If you look at the one thing Hopkins was seriously taught by a seriously well-informed teacher, you'll see that he took to that and absolutely mastered it like few in the entire history of the world have, as in, less than 1% of everyone who ever tried. That's intelligence. It's not something that can be so strictly defined, but for the most part, intelligence is how quickly and how easily you can fully understand something, and that is going to change as the 'something' changes.

This is where the whole Howard Gardner business of multiple intelligences comes in, the idea being that you can be an outright genius in one field and still be fairly average in another. Again, taking Hopkins as an example, his success in boxing wasn't due in most part to some freakish kind of talent like speed or power or something, it was a bodily kind of intelligence. Even that, to a degree, is not something that can be learned. Hopkins has a greater sense of coordination and proprioception than the vast majority of people do, and that's mostly an innate ability. Chances are that Stephen Hawking, even if he had a fully functional body, wouldn't be able to 'get' boxing and master it in the same way that Hopkins did, and I'm damn sure Hopkins wouldn't ever have been able to understand general relativity or quantum mechanics to the degree Hawking did even if he had access to the same kind education. The concept of a 'general intelligence' is a bit foolish.

 

There's no correlation. Ring IQ is based on instinct. You can show a guy how to slip a punch a thousand times, but at the end of the day, it's up to him if he can do it in that split second.

 

if thats true then hes borderline ******ed :roll:

u mean to tell me forrest gump has a higher iq than him :-(

 

the klits r examples of this. intelligent in the ring and out

 

Officially, he was.

Try learning some Boxing history.

 

Like Brickhuas said, there have been a lot of studies done by very qualified people and there isn't a consensus.

All I can say is, based on my life experience, intelligence can be shown in a lot of different ways. I have a buddy who is a mechanic who can take one look at something, and get it fixed. I can't do that, but read the financial markets better than pretty much anybody I know. I've seen college educated idiots and drop outs who are probably geniuses.

 

good posts about the different varieties

I'm sure many of the guys from this forum who have been watching boxing for a long time but can't even tell you how a feint was used lead relatively normal lives where they can function well in the world.

 

Ring IQ to me, is based more on syncronisation (I'm not a genius, don't expect the correct spelling of that.)

Your mind needs to be in sync with your body. Your mind, eyes and muscles. See and re-act as a simultaneous movement. Then we get on to instinct, you may not be able to read well, but you can see that a guy drops his hand every time that he jabs. It's a god given talent.

 

Some people are smart in certain things and not so in others. It is not uncommon.

 

How do you think personality and temperament comes into play inside of a ring?

I have a friend who has about 3 times the experience I do, but he's rarely ever calm when sparring and tires himself out quickly for this reason. Keep in mind I'm as far as can be from a pressure fighter. Anyways, in daily life this kid lacks patience and gets angry over basically nothing as he takes everything personally taking nearly everything as slights.

In contrast, I'm rarely if ever in a rush and completely fine with being indirect as I charm my way in through the backdoor. I'm the biggest AZZhole I know, and it just so happens I find it natural to throw bodyshots.

 

If you don't mind my chiming in: I think attitude outside of the ring is often fully displayed, often exploited inside the ring. I'm a very cerebral, analytic person who typically likes a "feel out" round when I spar. In fact, in Kenpo I would typically start left handed so I got a better view of my opponent's advances.

Once I know my situation, I'm ready to engage. I don't do anything half way, in or out of the ring. I just prefer to know my path a bit.

 

I see it as applied intelligence. It's the application of knowledge mixed with continuous training. There has to be some correlation. Look at Mayweather and Judah. Floyd had to alter his fight plan to to take that fight. That takes intelligence. Judah could couldn't because he wasn't intelligent enough to do so. And outside the ring Floyd is also the smarter businessman than Judah as well.

They both have a similar mentallity but Floyd is more successful. Most of this is opinion though. I think it's fair to say that intelligence can be applied to different aspects of life. The key is the application of knowledge.

 

Nah, I don't mind at all.:good