Ring magazine 1975 ATG HW list

NoNeck · Feb 1, 2018

Grapefruit said: ↑

Where is max baer's name? And how in the hell did fittzsimmons get on there
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Max never beat a notable heavyweight whose name started with the letter “J.” Fits did.

ronnyrains · Feb 17, 2018

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Again, this isnt true. As Ive illustrated above. In the situations you list as examples you conveniently choose to ignore the fact that to a man your examples were from foreign countries. You can count how many ABC, CBS, and NBC boxing matches from day to the late 1970s were broadcast from foreign countries on your fingers and toes. Boxing was loved by the networks because it was cheap. Prior to early bird satellite in the late 1960s there was no easy way to broadcast a foreign boxing match live. Even after the use of satellite until the late 1970s you rarely had international bouts broadcast in the USA. Go back and look throughout the history of unified or Ring championship bouts that were held in foreign countries and tell me how many were broadcast. You will see immediately that hardly any. Maybe a dozen in 3 decades. There were hundred if not thousands of broadcasts in the USA during that time and that small percentage explains why some of those fighters werent carried. But lets look closer at your examples of supposed Ring champions fights that were carried:

Duran: His fights with Thompson, Robertson, Suzuki, and Lampkin werent. All held outside of the United States. His bout with Ken Buchanan was but that was held in the New York. His title bout with Dejesus was broadcast in the USA but thats because interest had already been generated here by his non title bout in New York with Dejesus which was broadcast nationally here. When Duran starts fighting in the USA his championships start getting shown here.

You use Mando Ramos. Not a single one of Mando Ramos' bouts were televised nationally. Every single bout that was televised in the USA of Ramos was a local Los Angeles production. Those I specifically referenced that were filmed on 16mm and sent to SOME parts of the country (particularly the west coast like Seattle) to shown on a delay basis. This does not support your argument.

Ismael Laguna had one bout that was nationally televised in the USA. His bout with Ken Buchanan, why? Because it was from the Garden. His bout with Mando Ramos was broadcast by a local LA station.

Suzuki wasnt shown because Suzuki fought in Japan. His one bout in the USA was against Dejesus and that was only shown on the Spanish speaking network and broadcast to Latin America.

Jose Napoles: Again: Lewis, Backus, Lopez, Griffith, Charles, Pruitt, Menetrey, etc none of those were broadcast on national television. Some where broadcast locally, not many, some were broadcast by spanish networks (Which also werent national) but again. This doesnt support your point.

Stracey: His bout with Napoles was shown on closed circuit and Im not even sure it was shown in the USA at all even on closed circuit.

Im not sure what point you are trying to make with Palomino. He was recognized by Ring as champion and almost all of Palomino's televised bouts were on the local LA station KTLA as were some of Cueves bouts, although most were shown via the local spanish network and carried south of the border. I cant think of a single Cueves fight that broadcast nationally during his title reign besides Hearns.

The bottom line is with these guys most people didnt care. You are talking about largely foreign fighters who werent as marketable and mostly fought overseas and you are trying to say that this guy got national coverage because of the Ring and this guy didnt because he was only recognized by an ABC body and thats not true. In most of your examples most of these guys didnt get that much national attention whether they were recognized by the Ring or not. I gave you solid examples, several, whereby the networks did in fact pay attention to the ratings and did in fact ignore the Ring and its proven by their own productions and the decisions they made. You cannot draw a conclusion for your argument by taking a japanese fighter that nobody ever saw in the United States who fought at LW and only fought in Japan and say "TV wasnt interested in him because the Ring didnt recognize him." Gee, ya think maybe it had something to do with the fact that Nobody in the United States had ever seen the guy fight, nobody could understand a word he said, he didnt look like them, and in order to show his fights against opponents nobody had ever heard about theyd have to fly a film crew to Japan and keep them there for half a week. Ya think maybe that had something to do with it, far more than Ring magazine saying we dont recognize this guy? LOL.
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Stracey/Napoles Mexico City
oh yes it was shown in the United States, I would say probably the CBS Sports Spectacular, I do not remember being live or pre-recorded. Yes I remember that fight vividley. Stracey took a count, then later got Napoles against the ropes and administerd a two fisted frightful beating! - 99% in was pre-recorded.

Combatesdeboxeo_ · Feb 17, 2018

In 1975 they would pick marciano to beat foreman and dempsey over ali so simply laughable

McGrain · Feb 17, 2018

6.Gene Tunney
7.Bob Fitzsimmons
8.Jim Corbett
9.Muhammad Ali
10.Joe Frazier.

Apart from the positions of Tunney, Fitzsimmons, Corbett, Ali, Frazier and everyone affected by those positions, it's not that bad.

Bummy Davis · Feb 17, 2018

A lot of the oldtimers were still alive in 1975, Nat Loubet was the Wrestling guy but he was Nat Fleichers brother in law and John Ort (rating scandal with Don King) was Loubets son in law. So the ring ratings were not far off from Nats F's opinion.

I watched a lot of boxing in the 60's & 70 until now and there were benefits like one lineal title & many bouts. A lot of excellent old school trainers & a lot of live fights. I saw some great fights & great fighters in the 80's 90's 2000 - Now

I am very impressed with the amateur development now and it brings experienced guys into the pro's. Years ago it was the tough gyms, tough streets, and tough times. Every era had there benefits & negatives.

The heavyweight division today is the Big fit heavys mixed with the fat guys who can train down to 200lbs. The big guys like Joshua,Wilder,Fury, & a few others have good amateur experience & are large men although Wilder was ko'd in the 200lb division.

Still there is a lot of talent in the top guys in both the 200lb division and what i will call superheavyweight division. Once the cream rises to the top it will be interesting to see how the 200lb guys move up to fight the superheavys 200+

As far as rating go there were great fighters in every era (with a few standouts) I have no problem with someone rating the fighters that came 1st ahead of the later if they feel both fit into the great catagory. Cant argue with Johnson,JeffriesDempsey,Louis,Marciano,Ali being in someones top 10 especially if they lived the era. Ring magazine is just an opinion just like the many opinions on ESB who perhaps may be better informed or may not.

I have seen a lot of posters & experts that were very sure about their opinions in upcoming fights only to be proven wrong. The good thing about the classic forum & Ring magazine etc. is you can not be proven wrong because we are talking about people who are dead & we can only go by how great they were when they were called to do so.

richdanahuff · Feb 17, 2018

Mendoza said: ↑

I believe this is Nat Loubet's list. A fair one for 1975.

Nat Loubet was the editor and publisher of The Ring Magazine from October 1972 to September 1979.
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Funny how Nat Fleischers son in law implemented his vision of the top ten ATG....It wasn't until the Fleischer clan got far enough away from influence that these ratings started to make sense

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