Ring Magazine: Bernard Hopkins Is Middleweight GOAT

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  1. EJDiaZ

    EJDiaZ Boxing Addict Full Member

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    My List:
    1. Carlos Monzon
    2. Bernard Hopkins
    3. Marvin Hagler
     
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  2. alakran

    alakran Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Is this real or is it a joke?
     
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  3. BoppaZoo

    BoppaZoo Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Look at that list with the names they have, Fullmer, Darcy, Robinson, Ketchel , Greb, Hagler, Monzon, Hopkins. Then they have Sturm and Abraham.


    MMMMMMMMMMMMMM OK.
     
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  4. BoppaZoo

    BoppaZoo Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Sturm and AA get a gig on that Ring TV list before

    Jake LaMotta
    Bobo Olson
    Dick Tiger
    Mike Gibbons
    Tony Zale
    Emile Griffith
    Nino Benvenuti

    Yeah i get it ........................... FFS Ring is slowly losing there ****.
     
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  5. pong

    pong Boxing Addict Full Member

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    martinez has already done far more then sturm and aa to be on the list ranking fighter based on how many shitty alphabet title defences they have against no hopers is dumb as hell nevermind the rest of the stupid stuff going on with that list.glad i stopped reading that magazine
     
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  6. PNoyFightFanUSN

    PNoyFightFanUSN Larry Don't Give a **** Full Member

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    were they basing it on longevity or something?
     
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  7. brnxhands

    brnxhands Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Greb is the greatest i dont think its arguable.
     
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  8. pugilistspecialist

    pugilistspecialist Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Hopkins is top ten but he isnt the greatest middleweight of all time....when Marvelous Marvin Hagler and Monzon were the champs they defended their titles against slightly better competition and during their entire reign's they were considered the man

    Hopkins defended the IBF title over a dozen times before unifying the belts and being recognized as the best middleweight around without a shadow of doubt, after which he defended his title only like 5-6 times




    my list

    1) Carlos Monzon-head to head and accomplishment-wise he should be cosidered the best and his 14 title defenses is still the record in my eyes, he
    was the man who beat the man

    2)Marvelous Marvin Hagler-Imo is the only middleweight who beats a prime Monzon and is second on the all-time list with i think 12 defenses as recognized champ
    3) Tommy Ryan
    4)Harry Greb
    5)Sugar Ray Robinson
    6)Bernard Hopkins
    7)James Toney
    8)Michael Nunn( pound for pound underrated)
    9)Gene Fullmer
    10)Tony Zale
     
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  9. brnxhands

    brnxhands Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    interesting you have james number 7. not gonna disagree because i love james n happty to see you giving him credit. but why
     
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  10. realsoulja

    realsoulja Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Ring TV need to lay off the Boxrec
     
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  11. pugilistspecialist

    pugilistspecialist Boxing Addict Full Member

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    consider his tenure there, he beat an undefeated top p4p michal nunn, had 2 great fights with a near prime mccallum, was lineal champ and defended 5x
     
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  12. pugilistspecialist

    pugilistspecialist Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Also I have Michael Nunn on the list because he only lost one fight at the weight, was lineal champion beat frank tate, donald curry, Juan Roldan, Marlon Starling, Sumbu Kalambay...p4p dude is really underrated....only lost once in his prime never knockout and IMO was a southpaw, middleweight Ali.....between 160-168 he is the only guy i see giving a prime ROY JONES trouble or even beat him
     
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  13. Bogotazo

    Bogotazo Amateur Full Member

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    Abraham? And no Valdez or Briscoe?!

    :bart
     
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  14. pugilistspecialist

    pugilistspecialist Boxing Addict Full Member

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    sad list
     
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  15. larsker

    larsker Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Lee Groves response to the fans:

    "I certainly understand the angst regarding the inclusion of Sturm and Abraham on this list. Here's my explanation: The title of the article is 10 greatest middleweight CHAMPIONS, not 10 greatest middleweights. I did that to narrow the scope for inclusion, for trying to include non-champions or those who made pit stops in the division would have greatly complicated the process and muddied the criterion further.

    For example, Sam Langford is an all-time pound-for-pounder who had fights at middleweight. But he also fought light heavyweights, heavyweights and welterweights. The entirety of his career is more than worthy, but how complex would it be to break down his worth at middleweight, especially when he wasn't given the opportunity to win a title? Therefore, I had to narrow the scope to just those who held belts. Then, I had to examine the worth of their respective title reigns....who held the title the longest, who made the most defenses and what were the quality of opponents. I put great stock on longevity and as I was going through the roster, Sturm and Abraham ended up rising up the ranks.

    There have been great fighters who have used the middleweight division as a legacy enhancer but didn't really make their bones at 160. Say what you want about Abraham and Sturm, their length of reign and number of title defenses stack up well in comparison to other middleweight champions. I said in the introduction that truly great fighters like Mickey Walker, Tony Zale and Tiger Flowers weren't included because their reigns were relatively brief in comparison to others. Unfortunately, that removed some greater pound-for-pound fighters out of the equation.

    Of course, this is only one writer's opinion, and we all have opinions. Thanks for sharing yours."
     
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