ring magazine is b******t!!

yes kirk

there is no linear title on the line here that and the ring was vacant, and you can pass out other ranked challengers in your rankings if you stack more top wins than him which Pac clearly has

this is not a "you have to beat the man" scenario as there was no "man" this is purley ranking challengers

 

I agree its ****ing BS.

 

I like Ring on the whole. There's a few rankings I disagree with - I'd have Mosley as the #1 welter, Ward #1 at super-middle and the last time I looked they had Donaire pretty low but their rankings are better than any of the alphabet organisations.

I mean, they publish a top 10 for every weight class and a top 10 P4P. Does anyone think it's remotely realistic that these rankings will meet with universal approval with no-one disagreeing on a single placement?

Any time someone on here posts a top 10, whether it be for a particular division or P4P, it inevitably leads to a 20 page thread with no-one able to agree on much of anything.

I think, generally, they do a very good job.

 

I see it totally differently. Rankings are always about ranking the fighters in a division from best to worst. The only one who can get around that is the man who beat the man i.e. the lineal champ. Recent works at the weight are tools used to justify who you think its better than who. But don't come tell me Floyd is better than Mosley in a p4p sense, but Mosley is better than Floyd at WW. That's bull****. They are both the same size.

If Floyd's been fighting at WW since 2006. So if his wins are not good enough to rank him above Mosley at WW, then he has no business being above Mosley in p4p rankings either.

 

A testament to the disparity in activity between the 2 fighters.

 

The Ring mag often give ratings that can appear odd, At the end of the day its down to opinions and results until 2 fighters meet to decide.
I dont know, but could the Ring come to the conclussion to make Pac the #1 WW, due to Pac beating Cotto by KO, and Mosely losing to Cotto?

 

Well said. I agree with all but the last sentence. I hve Pac at #1.

 

Jan Zaveck is the divisions number 1, no matter what the Ring says. :nono

 

Pac is the #1 fighter in the world; that does not make him the #1 welterweight Mosley rightfully earned. All I can say about my 2 favorite fighters keep kicking ass don't let it bother you and hopefully you 2 guys meet in the ring to settle it like champions do.

 

So you're telling me that if Alexander beats Kotelnik, then Clottey and Berto at 147, and then James Kirkland and Sergio Martinez at 154, and then comes back to 140 and lets say beats someone like Nate Campbell.

Meanwhile Bradley beats Kotelnik, Maidana, Malignaggi, Urango, and Khan, but lets say for some reason Bradley is not the lineal champ because for example Pac is campaigning at 140 and has been fighting guys like Valero and JMM at 140

You would still rank Bradley ahead of Alexander after Alexander beats Campbell?



Your post was really long so I only quoted it partially, but your example of Haye and Wlad is totally different because at heavyweight since there is no weight limit, Haye could be better than Wlad p4p, but not a better heavyweight.


and you're right that I won't change my mind because that's how I've always seen rankings. When I ask someone who are his top10 WW's, I wanna know who he thinks are the 10 best fighters at that weight. Maybe different people rank different things, but that's what I rank.

 

Because Oscar De La HOya hates him, and Oscar owns Ring.

 

it's a toss up between Mosley and Pac. So Pac at #1 is no blasphemy.

 

It is close between Pac and Mosley at the moment.
However the winner of Mosley v Mayweather will be number 1 with the loser number 3.

Would set it up nicely for the winner to fight Pacquiao!

 

agreed. to be the king you have to beat the King.

Mosley beat Margarito beat Cotto took it up after May retired who beat baldomir, etc.

so really- Floyd is arguably the welter champion by that same logic- since he never lost his title in the ring, only thru retirement- where cotto and shane fought for it.

If your saying shane hasnt lost his title for pac to earn it- then shouldnt the same be said of floyd? shane was as innactive as floyd was practically.

the system is never pefrect. but i do think that in this case- shane deserves to be champion- but pac is the no.1 welter int he world ranking wise- if that makes any sense. which it dosent.