Ring magazine P4P list?

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  1. JonOli

    JonOli Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    How does Hatton get removed from the P4P list altogether for beating, hardly dropping a single round to, the ring magazine no 7 contender and yet Pavlic beats a guy who wasn't even in the Ring top ten contender list, but now gets put in at P4P no 7!

    What is Hopkins still doing at 4 as well?
     
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  2. PH|LLA

    PH|LLA VIP Member Full Member

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    cause you have to actually watch the fights not just look at the results
     
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  3. Punisher33

    Punisher33 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Exactly, Calazghe just barely beat Hopkins, so if Calzaghe is 3, then why shouldnt Hopkins be 4?
     
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  4. GazOC

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    But then Hopkins lost to Taylor, so Taylor should be number 2 and Pavlik beat Taylor so he's number 1...;)
     
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  5. Scar

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    Because his fight with Calzaghe was too close and not one-sided as many thought it will be, he also dropped Calzaghe in the first round, who expected that?
    Hopkins' spot is good and deserved in my opinion.
     
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  6. Punisher33

    Punisher33 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Yes, in two very disputed matches, where I myself had Taylor winning the first match, and Hopkins winning the second. I do feel Pavlik should be ranked higher as well, what did Taylor do after beating Hopkins twice? He had a disputed draw with Winky and lost to Pavlik twice, while Hopkins beat the hell out Tarver, and beat Winky decisively.
     
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  7. JonOli

    JonOli Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Oh, I see...

    So barely dropping a a single round to one of their top ten contenders doesn't count, but Ko'ing a guy who they didn't rate at all gets you a place.

    Pavlic should not have even been in the same ring as Locket. Nothing against Pavlik but he shouldnt be so lorded for the win.

    Pavlik was 1/33 on to beat locket, Hatton was a less expected 1/10 to be Lazcano.

    I just don't understand how beating up a guy who isn't even one of their top ten contenders suddenly gets you a place in their P4P top ten list!
     
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  8. PH|LLA

    PH|LLA VIP Member Full Member

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    :lol: how did you read "barely dropping around a single round to one of there top ten contenders doesn't count, but Ko'ing a guy who they didnt rate gets you a place" when I said "you have to actually watch the fights not just look at the results"

    and its not true that Hatton barely dropped a single round. are you saying Hatton barely dropped round 10??? it seems you are making up lies just to make a point
     
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  9. JonOli

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    Ive seen both fights, Locket just got KOed because he was in a totally different league and promotion bate for a calzaghe fight. Hatton had a hard fight, got rumbled at times, but won very convincingly on points.

    Personally I have more respect for the hard fought Hatton win then the joke of a Pavlik V Locket match up. It was embarasing! Prior to the bout, Ring magazine thought Locket was so shite they didnt even put him in their own list of contenders.

    Pavlik was expected to beat Locket far easier then Hatton was expected to beat Lazcano. Suprise suprise, thats the way it panned out.
     
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  10. BADINTENTIONS2

    BADINTENTIONS2 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    and yet pavlik's fought miranda, taylor and taylor in his previous fights which beats hatton's entire resume.

    not hatton's fault because he had the balls to get out from under warren..but you know what i mean.
     
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  11. JonOli

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    Yes he perhaps should have been put in the P4P list back then for doing that. But not for KOing Gary Locket.

    I have no problems with Pavlik being on the p4p list, but I have a problem with him suddenly being put there for beating Gary Locket.
     
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  12. PH|LLA

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    whether you watched the fight or not is not the point. What i'm saying is that your argument holds no basis because its based solely on the results, while ring bases their rankings on both the result and the actual in-ring performance, as they should.
     
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  13. JonOli

    JonOli Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    If your judging a performance surely the quality of opponent has to be taken into account. Pavlik was fighting a guy even Ring magazine themselves refused to put in their list of contenders.
     
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  14. PH|LLA

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    Yea sure, you have to take into account quality of opposition. Even taking quality of opposition into account Pavlik fought much better than Hatton.
     
    PH|LLA, Jun 12, 2008
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  15. JonOli

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    Lazcano was in the Ring Magazine list of Contenders, Locket wasnt. If ring magazine respect their own contender lists...

    All bookies had Pavlic to win at 1/33 on Hatton was 1/10. Thats over three times less likely for Hatton to win his fight the Pavlic.
     
    JonOli, Jun 12, 2008
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