Ring Magazine Top 20 fighters since WWII

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  1. DeadLikeMe

    DeadLikeMe Well-Known Member Full Member

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    The October issue of Ring surveyed many boxing writers and historians on the greatest fighters of the Modern Era (post-WWII). They were each asked to rank the 20 greatest fighters with 1st receiving 20 points, 2nd receiving 19, 3rd receiving 18, etc... with first place votes bracketed. The top 20 is as follows (HT to chrismart83 on scene):


    1. Ray Robinson - 396pts - (17)
    2. Henry Armstrong - 339 - (1)
    3. Muhammad Ali - 324 - (1)
    4. Roberto Duran - 296
    5. Joe Louis - 293
    6. Ray Leonard - 258
    7. Willie Pep - 246 - (1)
    8. Archie Moore - 189
    9. Julio Cesar Chavez - 171
    10. Ezzard Charles - 164
    11. Pernell Whitaker - 132
    12. Floyd Mayweather Jr - 118
    13. Marvin Hagler - 117
    14. Carlos Monzon - 98
    15. Eder Jofre - 86
    16. Sandy Saddler - 82
    17. Roy Jones Jr - 80
    18. Rocky Marciano - 77
    19. Bernard Hopkins - 66
    20. Ike Williams - 55

    Others receiving votes:
    Charley Burley - 53
    Evander Holyfield - 42
    George Foreman - 41
    Billy Conn - 39
    Larry Holmes - 36
    Manny Pacquiao - 36
    Kid Galivan - 28
    Salvador Sanchez - 28
    Emile Griffith - 27
    Jose Napoles - 27
    Holman Williams - 27
    Mike Tyson - 26
    Joe Frazier - 22
    Alexis Arguello - 20
    Marcel Cerdan - 20
    Carlos Ortiz - 20
    Ricardo Lopez - 19
    Jake LaMotta - 17
    Ruben Olivares - 17
    Pascual Perez - 12
    Marco Antonio Barrera - 9
    Oscar De La Hoya - 9
    Michael Spinks - 9
    Tommy Hearns - 7
    Miguel Canto - 5
    Bob Foster - 5
    Jimmy Bivins - 4
    Lennox Lewis - 4
    Sammy Angott - 3

    Authors and historians surveyed were: Ron Borges (Ring), Bernard Fernandez (Ring), Doug Fischer (Ring), Norm Frauenhiem (Ring), Lee Groves (Tales from the Vault), Craig Hamilton (Historian), Thomas Hauser (Author), Kevin Iole (Yahoo Sport), Matt McGrain (Historian), Clay Moyle (Author), Martin Mulcahey (Historian), Patrick Myler Author), Jack Obermayer (Writer), Adam Pollack (Author), Cliff Rold (Historian), Michael Rosenthal (Ring), Mike Silver (Author), Tim Smith (Ring), Springs Toledo (Author), Anson Wainwright (Writer).
     
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  2. Boxing Prospect

    Boxing Prospect Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I know this was done for Ring but...does no one think that they could have had at least 1 Asian writer/historian involved? Ring is supposed to be the "bible of boxing" not the "bible of American and British boxing"

    Joe Koizumi could have been a very worthy addition to those surveyed
     
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  3. Cormega

    Cormega Quadruple OG Full Member

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    Who in the **** is Joe Luis? That Mexican doesn't belong in the top 10,000 let alone the top 20. :-(
     
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  4. DeadLikeMe

    DeadLikeMe Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Fixed it for you.
     
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  5. Cormega

    Cormega Quadruple OG Full Member

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    That's better. Thank you. :good
     
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  6. Pimp C

    Pimp C Too Much Motion Full Member

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    Decent could have been better
     
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  7. Imperial1

    Imperial1 VIP Member Full Member

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    Hopkins is not top 20
     
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  8. Thread Stealer

    Thread Stealer Loyal Member Full Member

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    Spinks is too low. He was a better and greater fighter than a number of the guys ahead of him.
     
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  9. Kush

    Kush Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Good list
     
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  10. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    Henry Armstrong retired before the end of WWII. How in the **** does he qualify?
     
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  11. DeadLikeMe

    DeadLikeMe Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I think they use 1943 as the line of demarcation.
     
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  12. Thread Stealer

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    I guess maybe they mean since WW2 started?

    I remember The Ring being all inconsistent when they had their "Top 80 Fighters of the Last 80 Years" list, in 2002. They didn't put Jack Johnson because the great bulk of his meaningful work wasn't done in the previous 80 years from 1922-on, although he fought a lot after 1922.

    Yet they had Jack Dempsey really high on there. He was what, 4-2, or 3-2 from 1922-on? With one of the wins basically set up with low blows.
     
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  13. HellSpawn86

    HellSpawn86 "My heart goes out to you!" Full Member

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  14. OvidsExile

    OvidsExile At a minimum, a huckleberry over your persimmon. Full Member

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    It's not bad, but should 6/20 of the opinions have come from Ring Magazine guys? I'm also not seeing the opinions of any of their main competitors from ESPN or this site for instance who would qualify as experts. Someone said that they'd like an opinion from Asia, and so would I. I'd also like to know what South America, Mexico, and Europe had to say about it.
     
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  15. krishv1980

    krishv1980 Active Member Full Member

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    Considering steroid Testing was only introduced in 2002 and commisions got a hold on the sculduggery in boxing.

    I have Pac, Mayweather etc at the top of the list
     
    krishv1980, Sep 20, 2014
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