Ring Magazine's #1/Champion's square off: 1939 v 1989

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  1. PowerPuncher

    PowerPuncher Loyal Member Full Member

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    Actually in those days some some over the limit MW fights were considered over the limit MW fights and not LHW fights

    That aside a tad inconsistant ignoring Jones win over a 168lb fighter while he weighed 168, while counting a win over a 161lber where Conn weighed 167
     
  2. itrymariti

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    Jones failed to stop Chirino since the guy basically went into a shell for the distance, and was awkward and canny defensively. RJJ's KO record started to evaporate at 175 purely because his opponents were **** scared and spent most of the night jumping half-way across the ring at the slightest sign that Jones might actually throw something. It's difficult to KO a guy who's just looking to lose a wide decision without getting utterly humiliated unless you're particularly aggressive.
     
  3. PowerPuncher

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    The fact is Jones would be the second greatest offensive force Conn ever faced.

    Whos to say Hill/Griffin/Malinga/Woods werent more durable than Conn? Accumulatively they've gone the distance with Toney, Darius Mich, Benn, Eubank, Hearns, Tarver, Glen Johnson, Maske, Tiozzo. But they all got stopped by Jones

    Bottom line is Conn would be hit cleanly more often than he ever had by perhaps the second hardest puncher he ever faced.
     
  4. PowerPuncher

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    Oh and I take it you dont rate Ezzard Charles too highly at LHW too based on your own logic
     
  5. McGrain

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    And Conn would be the best defensive force Jones had ever faced, in my opinion.

    Who is to say ****berries won't start growing out of your ass? Your full of these little speculations. "Who is to say Harry Greb's opponents weren't injured worse than he was?" Now this. I say it's perfectly clear, you say that anyone who gets hit by Jones and doesn't immediatly die is made of titanium. Everyone's entitled to their opinions, even if they are wrong.
     
  6. bodhi

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    No it's not. Jones fight at 168 were at smw, Conn's fight was at lhw.
     
  7. bodhi

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    Charles resume speaks for himself.
     
  8. PowerPuncher

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    Yet Conn and his opponent weighed less, loving the hypocracy :lol:
     
  9. McGrain

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    So anyone who doesn't use modern divisional rules to rate fighters from history is a hypocrite? Burley's victory over Holman Williams should count towards his imagined light-middleweight status rather than his actual middleweigh status?
     
  10. ricardoparker93

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    You think Conn is better defensively than James Toney?
     
  11. PowerPuncher

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    Conns defence better than Toney and BHOPs? No chance, plus he also looks easy to counter when he attacks because he comes in a bit square at times.

    And how exactly has Conn proven he cant stand up to Jones assualts? He hasnt fought anyone as dangerous bar the slower Louis who ko'd him. Plus hes smaller and weaker, thats the bottom line.
     
  12. McGrain

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    Yes.
     
  13. PowerPuncher

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    The way people use the 'if it wasnt at the weight' it doesnt count and then use other fights below/above the weight is ofcourse hypocritical and bad maths.

    The same people who use the 'it wasnt at the weight' are usually happy to rate Arstrong at FW despite the fact hes technically had about 12-13fights at the weight, beating hardly any ranked opponents at the actual weight
     
  14. PowerPuncher

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    Hopefully he doesnt train any kids, :!: they'll get badly beat up
     
  15. McGrain

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    Hopkins is a better defensive fighter now - by a margin - but Conn is a MUCH better defensive fighter than Hopkins was when he fought Jones. The difference is vast.

    I think he's better than Toney, yes.

    :lol:

    And Jones looks easy to counter because he drops his hands at times :roll: When you're saying these things, don't you ever stop to think about them?

    Eh, how about his having beaten a mass of top men in his divisions, and having duked it out with multiple HW's (many of them cruiserweights, if you prefer) presumably having swallowed 100's of punches from them with his terrible square defence? I'm sure you think fighters like Savold and Pastor were borderline ******ed but they were the HW contenders of their day and Conn beat them. Heavyweight contenders. Now, nothing for you will do but ACTUALLY standing up to a Jones punch, such is your inflated opinion of him, but this would be proof, for most people, of Conn's durability, as far as it goes.

    When Conn met Louis in his prime he put on a clinic.


    No that's the bottom line that suits you, rarely if ever well balanced. It's rather like me saying "Conn is the best boxer Jones has ever met, that's the bottom line".

    Approximately as meaningless as your stab.