Ring Magazine's Top 20 Middleweights of All-Time

Emile Griffith is also too high, Holman Williams deserves to be there and I would have Mickey Walker higher.

 

It's actually a pretty good list, given the criteria that was used. This is actually the second Top 20 list that was done...Hopkins was slotted in the #16 slot in thier first list (before he had fought Trinidad or De La Hoya).

For those slagging on LaMotta, bear in mind that he holds victories over solid contenders like Dauthille, Jose Basora, Holman Williams, Bert Lytell, George Costner, and Tommy Bell. He's the only fighter to hold a victory over a prime Robinson (who fought a hell of a lot of middleweights), and it's generally acknowledged that he was robbed in thier third, and quite possibly fourth contest. That's a pretty damned good resume against a quality lineup...and a "limited brwaler" wouldn't have been able to pull that off.

 

Robinson should not be above Monzon and Hagler.

 

RING mag's top 20 middleweights rankings ????? Les Darcy is easily in the top 10 and must be in p4p top 100. RING has forgotten him completely, he was on it's 1975 list for Top 10, maybe Aussies don't count. You realise he died as a U.S. citizen and a member of the U.S. Army in 1917. I reckon he'd K.O. 3 quarters of these guys.

 

YES, most certainly Robinson should be ahead of Hagler and Monzon, look who he fought compared to them. Hagler could manage AT BEST a DRAW with Leonard, the REAL Sugar was twice as good as Leonard, and Robinson never quit if he lost. Marvin quit too early and killed his chance to be higher on this list. Also Ray only killed people inside the ring ( one only I think ). The Pre-60's greats were in a different league, just watch some of those fights, MAN they were tough, RE- Zale, LaMotta, Greb, Darcy, Steele, Walker, Graziano etc.

 

Why Greb at No. 1, have you seen film of him ?, I've seen Ketchel in 2 fights, 5 of Les Darcy and so forth and you can SEE how good they are. The best available is a short FUN spar with the Philadelphia Man. So Greb beat Walker once but Mickey was always a blown up Welter and still an up and comer. I appreciate that he was indeed great but we just can't judge that now, if Les Darcy had'nt died at age 21 in 1917 maybe Harry then may have just been a contender ( Darcy probably would be in the light heavy and Heavies by then though ). Greb vs Darcy on film ???? now that would've been the clash of the Titans.

 

How on earth it is possible for some one to think SRR's middleweight achievements outweigh Monzon's is beyond me.

 

I'd have Monzon at #2. Also, Kalambay instead of Valdes.

 

Anyone want to explain the Conn placement?

 

A few things about that list .To omit Les Darcy AND Freddie Steele is plain dumb. And to put Joey Giardello so high ahead of Bob Fitz is ludicrous.
Billy Conn is most remembered for his great fight with Louis, but as a middleweight,who was thrown to the wolves at the age of 19, Billy Conn
whipped Fritzie Zivic,Babe Risko,Vince Dundee, Oscar Rankings,Teddy Yarosz, Young Corbett, Solly Kreiger,Fred Apostoli,etc. What a roster of great middleweights the young 160 lb Billy Conn defeated ! As a middleweight young Conn belongs in the top 10, and would have beaten
Joey Giardello and most other middleweights. Cheers...

 

!. Monzon
2. Hagler
.....and you can argue about all the rest..

 

I thought that would be the thinking, although with that they could have, and perhaps should have, included Ezzard Charles who was equally as impressive as a Middleweight of Conn IMO.

Did you finish your series on Ketchell?