Ring Magazine's Top 20 Middleweights of All-Time

I think Conn would edge it between the two at Middleweight, in terms of resume, as he does not have the two emphatic losses to Marshall and Bivins. Although Charles was more destructive in his Middleweight days.

I'm saying Conn is quite high there, so Charles should feature, at least. Although IMO both of them do not belong.

Get your arse in to gear.

 

It's got most o the players right but the most recent fighter retired a quarter of a century ago?

 

wheres Mcmoustache?

i have the same 5 as Mcgrain

 

What ???? no Les Darcy,.... yikes

 

Very well said my friend,,,,,, Les Darcy would have beaten anyone on his day,.. Conn is a good call,,....... And Too many people don't rate "Non Pariel" Dempsey,,.. a truly great fighter in a time of Gladiators and the greatest of the 19th century fighters,... he'd walk through most punishment from just about anybody,...... It's funny How BAD the Americans want to forget Les Darcy (apart from a few of me Yank mates),...... I wonder why ???,. he would have killed that pretender McCoy,..... is that the reason ???

 

Why would we want to forget Les Darcy? I don't recall some wholesale antipathy towards Les from Americans, either during his day or post-mortem. In fact he was pretty highly regarded. And that you would even speculate that we held McCoy in any sort of esteem whatsoever (then or now) and ponder that as a reason for reviling Darcy is a clear indicator to me that you really don't know much about the American boxing public and what we thought of our fighters or the Australian fighters. So why come on here and start making all these presumptions? Are you trolling?

 

Nonpareil Jack Dempsey should be higher imo, perhaps around top 12.

Darcy off the list is a shame.

 

No roy jones or B-hop

 

Because, aside from his iron chin, there are many middleweights who would outhustle LaMotta, and decision him...

 

could you name all of them please. (and LaMotta had a lot more than just an iron chin)

 

fair list

 

SRR I believe was 40-0 when LaMotta defeated him. And LaMotta KDed him in that fight and one other. And SRR had an iron chin himself. So LaMotta had some pop when in shape.

A chin second to none, and from films I saw, could box some too. And swarm. Swarmers tend to not get credit, a la Calzaghe, not that their styles were otherwise similar.

LaMotta usually is underrated. Also Cerdan was a damn good fighter. although that W is tainted by possible throw down?

Just shows when Jake made up his mind to win, not too many could stand in his way.

 

Off the top of my head, Jack Dempsey, Bob Fitzsimmons, Tommy Ryan, Stanley Ketchell, Billy Papke, Harry Greb, Mickey Walker, Jimmy Clabby, Les Darcy, Marcel Cerdaan, tiger Flowers, Tony Zale, Lloyd Marshall, Yarosz, Steele, Charlie Burley, Dick Tiger, Emile Griffith, Rodrigo Valdez, Vito Antuoferm, marvin Hagler, Carlos Monzon, James Toney, Bernard Hopkins would all be pretty warm Favourites, imo.

Plenty of others like Dave Sands, Rocky Graziano, Joe CHoynski, Dan Creedon, Jim Hall, Cyclone Johnny Thompson, Gene Fulmer, George Chip, Jose Napoles, Roberto Duran, Sugar Ray Leonard, Tommy Hearns, etc are all reasonably good chances of beating Jake Lamotta. He was a good fighter, admittedly, and despite being an underdog wouldnt lose to all the fighters i mentioned. But people forget just how many good fighters, particularly middleweights, there really have been.

 

Do you think Vito Antuofermo would beat LaMotta ? Really ?