Why truncate the title of the article, thus totally distorting it's meaning? 10: Greatest middleweight champions is totally different from 10: Greatest middleweights
True, that would be my fault. Sorry. But people don“t read anyway. They see the list and comment. Guess is easier than reading the reasoning behind it.
As I wrote on another forum, LaMotta, for example, won the title from injured Cerdan, defended it twice vs average contenders (winning the 2nd fight only in the last minute of the fight), and then lost it by TKO. 3-1 in title fights, not too impressive. Bob Fitzsimmons only defended the middleweight title once, 2-0 in title fights, thus he's not anywhere on the list. But people don't read the explanation for criteria used, I agree with you. Truncating the title made it much worse, though.
On that note : Which middleweights would make a top 10 list who were never champion ? I guess Holman Williams would perhaps be the most mentioned candidate in that category.
7. Felix Sturm & 0. Arthur Abraham? There are pretty strong arguments for the rest to be somewhere in the top 10. Although 9. Gene Fullmer is the weakest link of the rest.
Another reason not to pay any attention to ring magazine...and no, they don't deserve being capitalized.
i think they do lists now to create interest by deliberately making them controversial. I mean, the likes of freddie steele not there but sturm is?
Meh, bs. I recently had a revelation to rank h2h, no longer do I have to worry about trawling the internet and reading records. I wanna compare two fighters, I just watch them both fight. Much more fun.
thats exactly what this list is based on. if they were to do a skills list itd look wholely different- and just as whacky. greb wouldnt even be there since no one has seen him....etc.
No buy we've seen Dillon, walker, tunney, loughran and gibbons. It's very hard judging his skill level but I have to put it above walker and Dillon in this division so wherever they are rated, he goes higher.
you can see the young generation took over the ring and although the old-timers are forgotten you can see golden boys hand in putting Hopkins as # 1, I dont think Hopkins makes top 10 as a middleweight based on his accomplishments there. Monzon and Hagler belong in the top 5-10 but Felix Sturm and Arthur Abraham ...please