Ring P4P Top 10 1922-2012.

Something felt like it was missing in the list until I realized it was Fitz and his era wasn't counted.

Pretty good really, I think most would agree with the first 6 or 7.

 

This super-duper formula where, if you make every fighter whoever lived 190lbs, Marciano would kick their ass. This is how Sugar saw fit to name Jack Dempsey the 9th greatest fighter of all-time, albeit he didn't use a specfic weight. :tong

 

Neither did Ricardo Lopez or Floyd Jr (to this point) and I wouldn't see lofty rankings for them either. Don't get me wrong, The Rock beat some great fighters who were still great operators between LHW and the modern CW limit. But I don't think Marciano is that great based on pure resume and accomplishments.

 

I think with his mix of dominance and resume he'd have to be up there.

Certainly not the prettiest amongst that lot, but he was pretty effective.

 

If I thought Mayweather beat Castillo the first time, convincingly beat him the second time and convicingly beat DLH, I'd probably rank him near Marciano. However I don't and therefore, I don't.

Furthermore I'd hesitate to put Floyd up there simply because he's been stage managing his career since his his 140+ days. You can't say the same for Marciano, who cleaned the slate with all those around him.

Lopez simply isn't in the argument with his appalling CV.

 

I agree with all of that, of course. Rocky just wouldn't be that high for me

Glad to see someone else has Rodriguez as high as me though.

 

Beating Griffith 4 times is a hell of an accomplishment :good

 

Yep, and **** loads of ace fighters between 147-160. Incredible.

Oh, and he wasn't too unskilled either :yep

 

Leonard has a better list of beaten opponents than Duran. A place in the top ten can be well argued.

Resumé is also a ****ing gay, gay word.

 

Not if you're American...also less clunky than ring record IMO.

 

I think I have 8 of the same top ten. The two missing are sam and ruby but their era isn't counted.

Gans is my eleven but he also isn't counted.

The rest are guys like canzoneri, moore, whittaker, leonard, leonard etc. I've no issue with leonard being number 9 and pea number 10.

I keep thinking of the merits regarding era separation when ranking fighters due to various things such as lack of footage, nws era, incomplete records etc.

A valid point was raised on this thread also, a large number of a greats opponents can be meaningless in essence. I only consider fights against ranked opponents, hof, titlists or loss rematches. I only consider losses during a fighter's prime as damaging.

A decent benchmark is considering the number of top 5 opponents a man faced in his career because whatever the era, if you're taking on top 5 guys consistently then you're compiling a pretty good resume.

 

Senya13 is a guy who knows Gans well said he was regarded higher than Benny at the start of the century.

 

I used to have Duran as the top LW of all-time/the modern era, and would go to war out here against all and sundry to defend it.

I was wrong.

Benny Leonard was the greatest LW who ever lived. I have Duran 3 places over him in the top ten, but he's only the 2nd greatest LW since 1920.