Ring P4P Top 10 1922-2012.

Kill yourself.

 

wow...That is a very controversial statement PP.......Are you serious ?? If yes ..I would like to know why ?

 

I do think Mclarnin is getting seriously overrated and there are parallels in both style and achievements, although partly trolling. Mayorga in his short prime is also a tad underrated, beating Forrest was massive, Forrest had just dominated many peoples P4P no1, having a close 50-50 with an excellent Spinks who would later deserve a decision for the MW title.

Stylistically both were less skilled cruder boxers relying on their greater power and reflexes to time quick punches to force their opponents to brawl. Both relied on being strong and powerful in their weight classes, Mayorga was found out when moving up against elites like Trinidad/DLH where as Mclarnin lost to smaller elite men like Ross and Canzi and picked on smaller men too

Both won lineal championships at Welterweight, both lost the title in their first defence

Both beat or went close with superior boxers in Spinks/Ross, Forrest/Singer, Corbett/6Heads

Ability and achievement wise Mclarnin just isn't all that good, especially ability wise. I wouldn't have him as a top 50 P4P. I'm not saying he isn't a good fighter and a hell of a puncher

 

With wins over Rocky Kansas X2 and Lew Tendler (his best oppoent) X2 Benny Leonard should be given strong consideration for the list. Had he not been forced to throw the fight with Jack Britton, a man he had beaten 4 years before. Leonard would have added the welterweight championship.
Leonard did however do the bulk of his work before 1922.

 

IS that true, if so I never knew, is this generally accepted? What's your source?

 

Spinks didn't deserve to beat taylor? Yeah i'll just dismiss this as trolling.

 

I'm not sure this is true - read this if you're interested, PP:

http://www.eastsideboxing.com/forum/showthread.php?t=32930&highlight=britton

http://www.eastsideboxing.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11830767&postcount=17

 

I had it Spinks, allot of people did and the robbery threads were out at the time, he certainly looked to outland Taylor and make him miss plenty. Nothing trolling about saying Spinks beat Taylor, although I've only watched it once and don't wish to rewatch it

 

Interesting, a win over the best in the WW division a division does allot for Leonard's legacy and P4P status for this decade

Who was considered better at the time Leonard or Greb??

 

This is one of your 'Carlos Ortiz = Jose Luis Castillo' moments.

I know you're trolling, but the Mayorga comparison is pretty far off.

I'd say he's more overrated the way Pac is overrated.

 

That's an interesting question.

I don't know - maybe someone can post something from contemporary press - it would be interesting to read.

Though there's a curious comment from Senya about Benny's resume:

http://www.eastsideboxing.com/forum/showpost.php?p=394660&postcount=6

 

Devil's advocate more than trolling. Isn't it more crazy though that when fighters who were brief champions who never distinguished themselves as the best somehow makes it into people's top30 lists? And Forrest would dominate Ross and Mclarnin pretty easily

Pacquaio has achieved a great deal more than Mclarnin and is probably both overrated and underrated depending on who's rating him.

'While he was still active, it was thought that his resume was inferior to Joe Gans', but after he retired the opinion was reversed.'

It's funny how era's are never considered good at the time, there were coaches and reporters rating Duran around the time of his Montreal win saying he certainly wouldn't make a top10 LWs list

 

Yeah, people never change

How many ATG matches can Floyd or Pac win nowadays?

 

Yep, you're right they both held the welterweight crown for a short period of time. They have that in common. That's true.

To point out the bleeding obvious though:

Forrest x 2, Six Heads Lewis and arguably Spinks

DOES NOT =

Ross, Canzoneri, Ambers, Villa, Mandell x 2, Corbett III, Kaplan, Petrolle x 2, Singer, Taylor, Fields and Fuller.

The way Forrest was bossed around by Mayorga, I'm not confident he dominates anything. In any case though, both McLarnin and Ross were really more lightweight, jr welter types, who just happened to be good enough to fight above their optimal weight.

See list above, count the HOF'ers therein and seriously, settle down. Note, I didn't even bring up Benny Leonard of Fidel LaBarba, which are about as meaningful as Pac's against DLH.