Ring top 10 HW question

I think ESPN's is a little more realistic than The Ring's currently

 

Thus was the explanation given by The Ring:

Another debate among the panel concerned who should replace Jared Anderson in the heavyweight rankings in the wake of the young American’s KO loss to Martin Bakole.

“Anderson was stopped by Bakole in five rounds,” said Wainwright. “Bakole to take Anderson’s No. 7 spot and Anderson to exit.

“Andy Ruiz and Jarrell Miller fought to a 10-round draw. (Neither seem worthy.) We have space at No. 10. No obvious candidate. Several fighters like Otto Wallin, Arslanbek Makhmudov and Frank Sanchez lost badly in recent fights. How about Bakhodir Jalalov? I don’t like it given he fights between both pro and amateur but we do have his countryman Hasanboy Dusmanov ranked at strawweight.”

Replied Donovan: “Jalolov will get the 10 spot without my vote. He passes the eye test but his résumé is awful for a fighter of his pedigree, especially on his way to winning a second gold medal.”

Abramowitz proposed Australian up-and-comer Justis Huni (10-0, 5 KOs).

“I think Huni has a better resume than Jalolov,” he said. “He might be the guy to come in by default.”

Tris Dixon, Abraham Gonzalez, Daisuke Sugiura, Wasim Mather, and Diego Morilla all echoed Donovan’s sentiment on Huni at No. 10:

“I can get down with that."
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https://www.ringtv.com/710846-ring-...e-crawford-tops-junior-middleweight-rankings/

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Dude, it’s not an egregious error. Huni is somewhere around the 10-15 mark. It’s not like there are 25 in front of him.

 

Cheers baily, my bad for duping bro. I'll post again once I've done a read through.

 

Well there are many who would disagree with that sentiment. The guys at Ring for starters. And a few in here too.

Huni is better than you give him credit for.

 

Having read through this thread it seems to me not a single person has even endeavored to answer how it is Huni earned a top ten position.

Let us remind ourselves two truths; ratings are not about potential and Ring magazine is a boxing promotion magazine started by a man who plagiarized his legitimacy as a historian and got funding for his rank selling magazine from the top promoter of his era.


The who do what now at Ring? Ring has some claim of legitimacy in 2024? Even after everyone knows Nat Fleischer was a conman and since then Ring has had a handful of unfair practice scandals which in 2012 caused the formation of TBRB?


When your argument for a man's greatness is "Him potential is great and dis rag that's never been worth a **** at anything but selling fans on the idea it might be worth a **** says so" you've wasted all our time and this server's space with you non-point ass.


WBA pops Perez in for no reason = Body Corruption

Ring pops in EVEN LESS PROVEN Huni = You just don't know how good he is but the whores for cash at Ring do and they opinions totes can't be bought.


You are f**king dumb bro. That's a moron's answer.

 

The Ring Magazine editor in chief called Fury to confirm if he is really retired. He confirmed it, so he was stripped of the belt and considered inactive. Nothing wrong with taking a man for his word. Fury also confirmed to WBC that he is retired, but Sulaiman gave him 2 weeks to decide, knowing he's bi-polar, treating him like a child essentially.

 

The Ring editor called Fury to see if he was retiring, At this time, Fury was posting videos of himself training and posting videos about different opponents he was trying to line up.

Fury wasn't inactive. He fought more times than Joshua or Usyk that year. He fought his mandatory a couple months before the editor made the call. He didn't have to make a WBC defense for another year.

The Ring editors were aware of that.

The Ring editor only called him on Friday because Usyk and Joshua were fighting on Saturday, and they found this to be an expediant way to crown a new champion.

They were done with Fury. Fury knew this. He can read. He could see the Ring writers and editors on social media saying they were 'sick of him." They had already made a belt. They already had someone there to present it to the winner at the rematch the next day. They didn't want Fury as their champion anymore.

So, when the Ring editor called, Fury said yes, and then went online 24 hours later, before Usyk and Joshua had left the ring, to say he was back and wanted the winner.

The Monday after the Satruday fight, Fury said he was fighting again ... ended up booking Chisora ... ended up selling 50,000 tickets to defend the "World" title ...

And Ring continued to pretend the entire time that he was retired. They didn't rate him the whole second half of the year even thought everyone on the planet knew he wasn't retired.

Everyone one the planet knew Fury was either the best or the second best heavyweight on the planet ... and Ring purposely posted false ratings excluding him for the rest of the year ... as if he was never fighting again ... knowing full well he was still WBC champ, was still training and a title defense in a massive stadium was coming that year.

Ring only rated Fury again at the end of December, so he'd show up on their year-end ratings. They certainly couldn't keep pretending he was retired ... as he was one of the busiest rated heavyweights that year.

The Ring ratings have been dumb for a while.

The transcript about how they came to rank Huni only shows that even more.

 

Nope, Fury made an announcement on Twitter that he's retiring on 12/08/22. The Ring Magazine called him a day later to confirm or deny it and he vacated his belt. Fury also made a call to WBC president and confirmed he's retiring as well and Mauricio confirmed that. He claimed he's retiring 3 times before that (before the Whyte fight, after the Whyte fight and in June 2022 when he claimed he was retired), so yes, people got sick of his antics and finally take him for his word. AJ vs Usyk were no. 1 and no. 2.

His Netflix series a year later showed, he really considered himself retired, wanting only to do exhibitions. Just because he's bi-polar doesn't mean we have to treat him like a child.

 

If Huni was matched against Hrgovic next, who would be the favorite to win? Huni? No.
If Huni was matched against Miller next, who would be the favorite to win? Huni? No.
If Huni was matched against Ruiz next, who would be the favorite to win? Huni? No.
If Huni was matched against Mahkmudov next, who would be the favorite to win? Huni?
If Huni was matched against Chisora or Joyce next, who would be the favorite to win? Huni?

Hell, if Huni was matched against Sanchez, Wardely or Clarke next, who would be the favorite to win? Huni?

What top 20 heavyweight would Huni be favored to beat straight up next time out? I can't think of one.

So how is he in the top 10? Like someone mentioned, I think ESPN's heavyweight ratings are certainly more accurate right now.

 

These are all fair points.

 

And Fury wasn't retired. And Fury defended the title more times that year than the guys who Ring tried to replace him with because Fury was so "inactive."

Everyone with an internet connection knew Fury and his team were trying to make fights all that year. They even offered WBC title shots to any number of guys, including Joshua and Ruiz, but one couldn't be ready by December and one wanted too much money.

To not rank a reigning WBC champion and their own RING champion for the second half of the year was assinine.

They knew it, too. They couldn't put him right back in the ratings DAYS after they took him out and gave someone else their belt, so they pretended he was "retired" as long as they could.

It was just another example of "fans" trying to have an impact on the sport. Fury didn't treat the "fans" at Ring like they had any authority over him, because they don't.

Ring writers didn't like the guy, so they gave their belt to another guy. And tried to save face for themselves by leaving him out of the ratings as long as they could claiming he was retired when clearly he wasn't retired at all.

Ring didn't have to "treat" him any way. Just rank boxers according to who is the best. That's all fans want from their ratings.