See, people call ME overrated on youtube and such, but you are exactly right: Guys in there aren't incompetent. They aren't chinny. I hit HARD. My punches sound like baseball homeruns. I've heard from guys who've sat ringside that they have NEVER seen a guy hit another guy as hard as I've hit some people. And some youtube commenter is like "Look at how gunshy this guy is, he's not even fighting back." Dogging the dude like he's a coward. I'm hitting the guy with some serious concussive force, bro. Of course he's off balance and off put! Ike looked scared to death in the 12th, btw. Like he KNEW his legs were gone, that he was all but out on his feet, and he was DESPERATE not to get stopped. He was throwing back, but to say the had nothing on them is an understatement. Ike was done, and was bravely trying not to get saved.
Line up 100 people who call somebody a "**** fighter", and give me 10 minutes under the unified rules. Bet you I could get through every single one of them, one by one, before you here DING. Don't insult a skill somebody built for years when you yourself don't have it, and couldn't acquire it. There are other appropriate terms "Lower-class titlist" and such. Not meaning to sound hard, btw. Just don't like being called a **** fighter by people who couldn't beat my grandma in fisticuffs. Ruffles my feathers, and I'm not feeling well today, so irritability is up. Finding an old youtube video of a bout of mine I've never seen should be a joy, not a seeth session.
That's kinda why I get a kick out of people who refer to fighters like Gatti, Katsidis, and the like as being "low level". Hell, they accomplished more than 99 percent of fighters will ever do in their careers (even taking into account proliferation of titles). For that matter, if you take your average run of the mill journeyman/clubfighter (the type who fight a lot and dot the records of guys coming up) he probably could school/decapitate an untrained layman/bar-room brawler without that much difficulty, depending on his particular skill-set. You spend years doing something, you become proficient at it. They may not be able to hang with younger, stronger, more motivated, better prepared fighters for an extended period of time....but, in a lot of cases, and compared to the rest of us, they're pretty damned good in their own right.
Ive always scored that fight for Ike (although I am rather biased) but thanks for an interesting read, as always :good
I totally agree with that sentiment. I mean people call gatti a bum, he's a two weight titlist and hall of famer. He shared the ring with the best of his era and he took part in one of the greatest trilogies in history. I think unless a guy is obviously trolling in jest, calling a fighter a bum is inexcusable (even though I probably did it myself at times). In a way I have the same criticisms with my work. As a teacher I get shat on a lot "you get paid too much" "you have too many holidays" if the job was that easy then why don't they do it? Now I'm not comparing teaching to boxing but those incapable of something shouldn't be insulting to those who are.
I agree with all of this. It's crazy when I hear people call a fighter like Judah or Gatti D or C -level fighters. People don't realize how many boxers there actually are participating in the amateurs and professionally.
I haven't seen a ton of my professional fights. A lot of undercards, and a lot of unmemorable 1 round ko's, people don't upload. Guy would rather hunt down and post a meaningful, watchable scrap than me torching a fat guy in 20 seconds. I get that. Would still like to see one of them turn up without some hater calling me "skill-less" or a bum. I tell you what, though, riles me up hearing journeymen get called names and getting dogged. It's a hard, lonely life fighting trained killers for a living when you don't have the toolbox to hang. When I was in the ring with a guy I knew beforehand was just going to be a victim, I'd usually tip him some of my purse under the table for his time. I've seen how hard that life can be. Dudes 40, with 8 kids, never had an amateur fight getting obliterated on television by thoroughbred 25 year old with an axe to grind? ****, he's got bigger balls than I do.
Case in point, Garing Lane when he was touring about. Garing was a freaking badass that couldn't get NO respect. He traveled 9 months out of the year, never had time to TRAIN with all the fights and sparring work he was take, just showed up to take punches, punch back as hard as he could, and TRY. Words cannot express my respect for this man.
Do what you love, bro. Or what feeds the kids. An example off the top of my head, a knockout victim of mine: 8th grade education, stint in prison, two little girls he absolutely adored. Couldn't take care of them on a fry cook's wage. Getting blasted because he learned to box a bit in prison kept food on the table. Ugly stuff.
Thats like Gary that i told you about magna, 25-16, everybody in the city would talk mad **** about him until they would wind up in the gym an he was there, he would ignore it most times but go off other times He would get scorched just for rent money by up n comers
I try to give back, man. I know how lucky I am. I was trained intimately and intensely because I was large, explosive, charismatic, and talented. Gobs of people invested themselves in my success, AND I was born with a great body for this. I feel for the people who didn't have my opportunities.
The window can be narrow, man. If you aren't getting the fights? It's done. I know a guy, he's in NC now, an absolute beast of a fighter. Knocked Verno Phillips out in the gym when he was champ. Schooled Mike Alvarado consistently in sparring. On the shelf for two years cause he had no backing. TWO YEARS. His prime, gone like that. Had somebody guided his career, he'd have been fighting world class at the same time he broke world class. Instead, he was thrown into his toughest fights young and undertrained, and froze out again the second he became dangerous. It happens ALL the time. Prison kills talented fighters, too.
Magna, you mentioned Rios - Alvarado was the second most exciting fight you saw live. What was first?
Corrales-Castillo, no doubt. I'll never forget when the referee called it. The crowd went nuts, but it was hoarse from screaming, so the roar was dull. Then I'm walking in a line high fiving people, buzzed out of my mind, Corrales is interviewing looking like Rocky, Winky Wright is climbing up my back. James Toney is so excited his command of the English language was getting worse by the round...Great night, man. Never seen two guys THAT good go for it THAT hard.
If Gatti is D then there isn't a letter lw enough to explain my level. To put it in perspective, lightweight champ Paul Spadafora went to hell and back with Leonard Dorin, a tough fighter, a notch below world-class. Everyone was all over Spaddy at the time too about how great he was. Dorin steps up to fight Gatti a bit after. Gatti stops him in 5 minutes. With a bodyshot.