RIP micky duff

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by choklab, Mar 23, 2014.


  1. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    End of an era in boxing. Duff was a tough old timer from the post war days who masterminded many champions path to titles as a matchmaker and later as a promoter until the 1990s along side the cartel that ran boxing in the UK. His book was fascinating.
     
  2. TBooze

    TBooze Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    A bit of debate about his legacy in the British boxing forum. Certainly a very interesting character. A man who knew the British sport inside and out, and used this to become a huge influence for decades.
     
  3. thistle1

    thistle1 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    he was a protégé of Solomon and an 'insider' from very early days, a London Jew and Wide Boy all his days. He knew Self Preservation very well and like those before him benefitted from others misfortune, interfered with or not!
     
  4. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    What does him being Jewish have to do with anything?
    During Mickey Duff's time as promoter /matchmaker /manager,the UK saw it's greatest success as a boxing nation.
    That is undeniable and not up for discussion.
    Duff was significantly involved in the careers of 19 World Champions.

    Duff was never a protege of Jack Solomoms and never worked for him either.
    Quite the opposite in fact, Solomons did all he could to prevent Duff from getting a manager's licence.

    Duff was the matchmaker for Harry Levene who succeeded Solomon's as the premier boxing promoter,when Solomons down-scaled and concentrated on putting on shows at the World Sporting Club.
    Levene's shows were then at Wembley and Belle Vue.
    Duff also ran his own small shows under Mickey Duff Promotions.

    Whose misfortune did Mickey Duff benefit from?
    Can we have some names and details please?
    It's easy to smear people when they are dead , but some proof would be nice.
     
  5. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    Reading his book he would come across as quite highly strung but what you saw was what you got. He did not suffer fools gladly and I suspect there was no middle ground with him. I think he said something like if you don't make enemies in life you are a phoney. Everything was either good or bad. I felt the people he liked best were the ones who were easy to work with and the ones he disliked were the ones who always wAnted to negotiate. It was an intresting read.
     
  6. thistle1

    thistle1 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    sorry confused Levene with Solomon.

    Duff being Jewish in and of itself has _uck all to do with anything... but Duffs being part of the Jewish influence over the business of boxing has lots to do with things.

    they were a tight family and looked after one another and their combined interests!

    Top level management, promotions and board screwed loads of fighters, don't be so subjectively blind. IF one fighters getting screwed others are too.

    Not just the ones you approve of or disapprove.

    Just like Unforgiven's answer in the other thread, even knowing these things exist some fans still won't acknowledge such practices, even though they know it and yet 'admit' it for others.

    Boxing IS Corrupt at EVERY Level and Duff was a part of that!
     
  7. TBooze

    TBooze Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    What cannot be denied is that he who cannot be named, sued and won when claiming Barrett, Astaire, Lawless and Duff, along with the BBB of C were effectively a cartel.

    The 'Jewish comment' is a statement of fact, Duff was openly and proudly Jewish. Although not religious myself, everyone has the right to a faith; I do not think thistle1's comment was meant as an insult.
     
  8. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    The thing is boxing promotion always creates manopolies and manipulations. It is the nature of the business at the top, even when it's all legal and above board it is and always has been quite cut throat. Somebody always has to be at the top, or appear to be at the top to maintain what they achieved. Knowledge and shrewdness are key.staying on top costs money and everybody has to make a profit in order to stand a loss.

    As a fan and as a historian I have come to accept this. It is not personal, it is just how it is. Every fighter should look for the best deal, because everyone else does.
    Respect goes to the men who deliver.
     
  9. TBooze

    TBooze Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I would agree with all of that. But the difference is Duff according to a decision made in a British Court of Law was part of (for the lack of a better term) 'an illegal cartel'.
     
  10. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    Absolutely, I accept that. Duff and Levine spent years trying to break Solomon's monopoly and once they did they shut everyone else out with pretty much the same stuff Solomon's did. The rules changed when having exclusive contracts on venues meant less than TV deals but even now the same game is being played for one group to stop the other getting ahead.

    What was sneaky though was that they were all pissing in the same pot but pretending they were not officially all one group. Lawless had the stable and the others within the group had all the dates fixed at all the venues in the London area so that no outsider promoter could stage an event within the period they staged shows. They were operating as seprate promoters whilst being in the one group, even having tv shows delayed to save the live gate. They signed up all the top kids coming through the ranks between them so prety much everybody had to go through them. For a while they had no rivals because everything was sewn up. They had the champions, the challengers, supposedly freinds in the board and in the press, the venues and the TV.

    But that's what everybody else tries to do. Every body at the top wants to stay on top and sew Things up. Eventually it opens up but the history of boxing promotion has always been the same. One man gets replaced by another man who eventually is exactly the same.
     
  11. Foxy 01

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    R.I.P.

    I was told straight from the horses mouth ( Maxie Beech ) that he fought on cards, where Duff was the matchmaker, and was once chipped a few quid ( in those days they were paid in cash at the venue ) for finishing the fight too early with Duff claiming the crowd didn't get their money's worth.

    Maxie wasn't too upset about it, he laughed in fact but said that he made sure he got his money before the fight after that incident.
     
  12. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    Haha, those were the days! I heard another whisper that in the 1970s Duff was so confident of his matchmaking that he told a coach what round his fighter would go down in and joked he'd pay him more if he went sooner. The coach was determined to prove duff wrong but he couldn't. Duff guessed right the kid lost in exactly that round.
     
  13. mcvey

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    If it was not meant as an insult why would it be mentioned in the first place? Would he have said Duff was C of E if that was the case?

    Who can't be named?
     
  14. mcvey

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    You heard a whisper oh please spare us!:patsch
     
  15. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    Your posts have never risen above sewage level, and this is not going to change that trend.